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Evangelical leader says he bought meth By CATHERINE TSAI (Associated Press) The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the man. Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for himself from the man. But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and three of his five children. Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to him. "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web sites. In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether the alleged drug deal was under investigation. Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical leader on television. Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that Haggard in public condemned gay sex. Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court nominees. James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and colleague.

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Anyone care to guess what the illegal sex version of "I didn’t inhale" could be?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Evangelical leader says he bought meth > By CATHERINE TSAI > (Associated Press) > The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and > received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian > evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the > man. > Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals > wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and > homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones > claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. > On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after > being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for > himself from the man. > But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I > was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told > reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and > three of his five children. > Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. > Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." > Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to > him. > "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had > advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web > sites. > In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million > members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life > Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this > week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m > steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." > In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, > police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether > the alleged drug deal was under investigation. > Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years > until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said > that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical > leader on television. > Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has > supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state > constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that > Haggard in public condemned gay sex. > Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated > in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House > staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court > nominees. > James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative > Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" > over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and > colleague.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Evangelical leader says he bought meth > By CATHERINE TSAI > (Associated Press) > The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and > received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian > evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the > man. > Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals > wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and > homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones > claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. > On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after > being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for > himself from the man. > But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I > was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told > reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and > three of his five children. > Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. > Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." > Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to > him. > "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had > advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web > sites. > In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million > members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life > Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this > week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m > steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." > In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, > police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether > the alleged drug deal was under investigation. > Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years > until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said > that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical > leader on television. > Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has > supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state > constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that > Haggard in public condemned gay sex. > Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated > in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House > staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court > nominees. > James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative > Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" > over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and > colleague.

Garsh AND Crikey! If Haggard is innocent, then why would he resign? He could always do the "Swaggert" technique by confessing and asking forgiveness from his congregation. PRESIDENTIAL FAITH ADVISER OUTED? Rev. Ted Haggard, pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs and president of the National Association of Evangelicals, is the target of accusations by Mike Jones, a male "escort," that the pastor has been a sexual client of Jones’s for the last three years. Haggard belongs to the elite group of right-wing religious leaders party to regular Monday-morning conference calls with President Bush, according to reporter Jeff Sharlet, writing last year in Harper’s. As a supporter of the ballot measure for a gay marriage ban, which Colorado voters will decide next week, Haggard’s travails have a political taint. http://www.prospect.org/weblog/ Factor in Jeff Gannon aka James Dale Guckert the male escort who visited the Whitehouse fairly routinely, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon and we have some strange porno-homo trio led by Queen Georgie, the Shaved Bush. Yet we thought Laura was pissed about Queen Georgie bonking Condi. That seems quite doubtful now, that is unless the homoerotic godsquad had Condi play dominatrix for the pervert trio. Disgusting…

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> Anyone care to guess what the illegal sex version of "I didn’t inhale" could > be?

That is hilarious! ha ha ha ha ha ha… But that also begs the question: Exactly how are the neonazicon perverts going to blame this obscene soap opera on Clinton? Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol. Then make the claim that Clinton owns more distilleries in the country than anyone else. BTW, I wonder if male escort Jeff Gannon is involved in this scandal…hmmm. What? No retardicons speaking out about this? Their silence is really curious, ain’t it? Probably afraid to speak out and end up being exposed themselves, heh heh heh heh. God’s pervert battalion is about to be raptured. Yeah…sure… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Evangelical leader says he bought meth > By CATHERINE TSAI > (Associated Press) > The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and > received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian > evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the > man. > Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals > wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and > homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones > claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. > On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after > being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for > himself from the man. > But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I > was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told > reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and > three of his five children. > Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. > Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." > Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to > him. > "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had > advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web > sites. > In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million > members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life > Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this > week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m > steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." > In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, > police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether > the alleged drug deal was under investigation. > Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years > until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said > that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical > leader on television. > Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has > supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state > constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that > Haggard in public condemned gay sex. > Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated > in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House > staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court > nominees. > James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative > Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" > over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and > colleague.

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> Anyone care to guess what the illegal sex version of "I didn’t inhale" could > be?

I didn’t swallow?

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> Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol.

The alcohol excuse is within the domain of Edward’s expertise: "…you brought up a lot of good points, but it’s time for me to go and I’ve had a few beerskis that now have affected my interest in trying to think of replies to your different points."   – Elvis Paisley, 04/27/02 – "Ok, but I’m having beerskis again – watch out!" – Elvis "Kabong" Paisley, 05/01/02 –

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> > Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol. > The alcohol excuse is within the domain of Edward’s expertise: > "…you brought up a lot of good points, but it’s time for > me to go and I’ve had a few beerskis that now have affected > my interest in trying to think of replies to your different > points."   – Elvis Paisley, 04/27/02 – > "Ok, but I’m having beerskis again – watch out!" > – Elvis "Kabong" Paisley, 05/01/02 –

2002, yawn…old news. Lame rerun too, you banal sissy. Bed-wetting and shitting in the pants is of the domain of Lapi Dogi’s daily experience. Doesn’t make him a retard though. He was born with genetic defects in the brain making him stupidity personified permanently which led him to becoming a credulous chump and one of Queen Georgie’s pet droolers. Pity, isn’t it?

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>> Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol. >The alcohol excuse is within the domain of Edward’s expertise: >"…you brought up a lot of good points, but it’s time for >me to go and I’ve had a few beerskis that now have affected >my interest in trying to think of replies to your different >points."   – Elvis Paisley, 04/27/02 – >"Ok, but I’m having beerskis again – watch out!" >- Elvis "Kabong" Paisley, 05/01/02 –

Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist.

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> Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist.

Now THAT’S funny.

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> > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > Now THAT’S funny.

A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny.

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> > > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > Now THAT’S funny. > A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny.

You must be a Methodist.

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> > > > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > > Now THAT’S funny. > A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny. > You must be a Methodist.

No, and I’m not a Cath-o-lick either.

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> > > > > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > > > Now THAT’S funny. > > A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny. > You must be a Methodist. > No, and I’m not a Cath-o-lick either.

Apologies to any of the fine wonderful and colorful people who are Catholics. No offense intended when I mocked the New Orleans version of pronouncing the word as "CatLick" by using Cath-o-lick. I have plenty of family members and friends who are devoted Catholics.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>> Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. >>>> Now THAT’S funny. >>> A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny. >> You must be a Methodist. > No, and I’m not a Cath-o-lick either. > Apologies to any of the fine wonderful and colorful > people who are Catholics. No offense intended when > I mocked the New Orleans version of pronouncing the > word as "CatLick" by using Cath-o-lick. I have plenty > of family members and friends who are devoted > Catholics.

Anyone devoted to a religion is a zombie.

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This is why Republicans can’t do anything right. This is why everything they touch turns to crap. Because they are idiots. Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence. "Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?" I asked him a few weeks ago. Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: "One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, different families or something." To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. "Now that you’ve explained it to me," he replied, "what occurs to me is that it makes what we’re doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole area." This idiot isn’t some backbencher. He’s the vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This is why Republicans can’t do anything right. This is why everything > they touch turns to crap. > Because they are idiots. > Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who > is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical > and tactical intelligence. > "Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?" I asked him > a few weeks ago. > Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: > "One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest > with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, > different families or something." > To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him > briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet > Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the > rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. "Now that you’ve explained it > to me," he replied, "what occurs to me is that it makes what we’re > doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole > area."

source http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/opinion/17stein.html?_r=1&oref=slogin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This idiot isn’t some backbencher. He’s the vice chairman of the House > intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

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Tech’s, Musicians and Small Time Band Benefactors, Lend me your sense of humor! Everyone else? It’s _never_ too late…do something with your life, because the [b. - d. ]hyphen between your year of birth and the morgue is _all_ there is, ever was or will be. Humans are just biological mammal meat, like all else. The "Afterlife" is all that continues after _your_ life, –until proven otherwise. "No!!!!!" you claim? Well- So far, beginning HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ("LET’s ACT LIKE HUMANS WERE BEAMED DOWN AT POINT ‘A’ IN TIME) years since a ludicrous reference point in time, some; hundred and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds   and *(USA began)* hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, have proven that religion is a but a _great_ tax dodge (like drug dealing and all other forms of theft from the poor)and an even more effective barrier between people who -as human beings- might otherwise have found more tangible things in common. mvm P.S. The Progression; Magic. Religion. Science. Shhhhh- mvm

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> Shhhhh- mvm

 Shhhhh-

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Marshall Crenshaw – Someday Someway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFzXLh5lo0&search=Marshall%20Crenshaw Forgot about this guy.  I wish I remember the story better by now, but about 25 or so years ago, a local club wanted my friend’s band to open for Marshall Crenshaw.  I guess Marshall Crenshaw’s management wanted to use their sound reinforcement gear.   They said no way! Crenshaw couldn’t have followed them anyhow.

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> Marshall Crenshaw – Someday Someway > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFzXLh5lo0&search=Marshall%20Crenshaw > Forgot about this guy.  I wish I remember the story better by now, but > about 25 or so years ago, a local club wanted my friend’s band to open > for Marshall Crenshaw.  I guess Marshall Crenshaw’s management wanted > to use their sound reinforcement gear. > They said no way! > Crenshaw couldn’t have followed them anyhow.

I met Marshall about 20 years ago at a Lone Justice listening party. He was a very cool guy and has written some of the best pop songs around.

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>> Marshall Crenshaw – Someday Someway > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFzXLh5lo0&search=Marshall%20Crenshaw >I met Marshall about 20 years ago at a Lone Justice listening party. He was >a very cool guy and has written some of the best pop songs around.

He came to Pr1mo one day to pick up 2 Silver Anv AC30s, played them for about 10 mins, and was just one nice guy.  I had no idea who he was at the time, but I soon searched his music out, now I’m glad I did.   We were just a warehouse, no manf at all, just boxes and phones, but he was so thrilled to be in ‘VOX USA’, I think he stayed there till we closed, just gleaming with joy. I think back of all the ’stars’ I have stumbled into, few..few were assholes, bad people, that no matter how big they were, they still were assholes.  I know I never got deep into things, but by dealing with amps/guitars, one connected to them on a pure other level.  Maybe that’s why.  Assholes?  Name 1? Greg Lake.  & people in the ‘MantiCore’ offices too, were nasty people.  Led Zep’s mang.  PGrant at least was honest n direct, U knew the score, but his ‘people’ were complete asswipes. Everyone blamed PGrant, but our contact was up front and honest, till his ‘people’ got involved, n Page never knew it save his amp was fixed.  B Whitford too.  Nice guy n family, bad people around him.  He was smart, found better people to be around. But that’s so long old, and to be honest, I got the better hand off the G/Lake deal in the end.  Never hold a grudge to anyone, folks.   ..it sucks when the doctor demands bed rest, and all I got is this KBoard… JJTj

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Marshall Crenshaw – Someday Someway >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFzXLh5lo0&search=Marshall%20Crenshaw >I met Marshall about 20 years ago at a Lone Justice listening party. He was >a very cool guy and has written some of the best pop songs around. >He came to Pr1mo one day to pick up 2 Silver Anv AC30s, played >them for about 10 mins, and was just one nice guy.  I had no idea >who he was at the time, but I soon searched his music out, now >I’m glad I did.   We were just a warehouse, no manf at all, just >boxes and phones, but he was so thrilled to be in ‘VOX USA’, I >think he stayed there till we closed, just gleaming with joy. >I think back of all the ’stars’ I have stumbled into, few..few >were assholes, bad people, that no matter how big they were, >they still were assholes.  I know I never got deep into things, >but by dealing with amps/guitars, one connected to them on a >pure other level.  Maybe that’s why.  Assholes?  Name 1?

It’s much easier to be an entertainer if you’re not an asshole. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Greg Lake.  & people in the ‘MantiCore’ offices too, were >nasty people.  Led Zep’s mang.  PGrant at least was honest n >direct, U knew the score, but his ‘people’ were complete asswipes. >Everyone blamed PGrant, but our contact was up front and honest, >till his ‘people’ got involved, n Page never knew it save his >amp was fixed.  B Whitford too.  Nice guy n family, bad people >around him.  He was smart, found better people to be around. >But that’s so long old, and to be honest, I got the better hand off >the G/Lake deal in the end.  Never hold a grudge to anyone, folks.   >..it sucks when the doctor demands bed rest, and all I got is this KBoard… >JJTj

I guess that could be considered rest.  In relative terms.

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>>I think back of all the ’stars’ I have stumbled into, few..few >were assholes, bad people, that no matter how big they were, >they still were assholes.  I know I never got deep into things, >but by dealing with amps/guitars, one connected to them on a >pure other level.  Maybe that’s why.  Assholes?  Name 1? >It’s much easier to be an entertainer if you’re not an asshole.

Nope. It’s best 2 be a bad guy/girl.  EVERYONE hates(roots) for the asshole.  Luv them, hate them, U talk about them. In ‘pro’ wrestling, it’s easier to get ‘heat’ then to become a babyface..no matter WHAT talent you had.  Most asswipe heels sold faster then ave b/face(s).  In rock, esp these days, the stupidetiour you act..act being the key word..the better U get over.  Folks need someone who is a bigger (or looks like a bigger) loser then they are.  RmR is like P/Wrestling and a lot of other big words that describe how the public is sold.  Get bums on seats. I was talking about those who were ASSHOLES doing Business, not the life they (show the public) (or) lead.  Greg Lake was, while I was selling HIM a 3-PU lp in NYC, a complete asswipe.  ELP’s front office was full of asswipes.  I got mine later at the Cape Cod Col, where ELP played, n Lake’s roadie (Jon Chichester<sp?>) got to meet a Mass State policeman..and I got my LP back, yrs later by default.  Wish I had it now, I got all the papers.. >..it sucks when the doctor demands bed rest, and all I got is this KBoard… >I guess that could be considered rest.  In relative terms.

D/H are long to recover from, and since I am getting my ‘thoughts’ in order, I spew this online.  I can’t tell you the numbers of people who remember this shit, email me, n later tell me how it moved on.  I also didn’t believe I’m the only guy with such memories, and I’ve met folks who did all this (some on much better levels) on another end of the planet.  Glad I kept SOME of the proof and fun from those days.  Couldn’t make this up if we tried. Poor kids 2day.  I started at 14.  No matter what age, U couldn’t do this THAT easy 2day.  In the 60/70/80/s, you could fake ur way in. And I did.  I lied, cheated, and stole my way to get there. It was worth it. JJTj <damn, legal drugs kicking in..>

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Nope. It’s best 2 be a bad guy/girl.  EVERYONE hates(roots) > for the asshole.  Luv them, hate them, U talk about them.

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That means what?  Ur weird fetish?  Grow up., Buck-io I was talking about how promotions were, well, promoted. and, if you had a clue about such things, r maybe KNEW somebody who WAS around there, U might better reply then IKYABWAI?, then it would be beyond laughable.  I get many emails, 2 many of them with postage due..ha..ha..ah.., telling me I’m an asshole, & I am full of shit (I am) or I was wrong about some ser#d off brand toy they own.  They come to us for info.  We give it 4 free.  THEN they get religion.  And we r glad, cause some one learns and joins in. Sometimes, it’s far 2 easy to spew my big mouth when what is spewed is reality.  I really don’t give a shit who cares 2 believe whatever. I have often said, I couldn’t make this all up.  n back it up.   Yes, a book is in the works. Yes, I no care about who cares. The detailed fact that 2 many folks have asked/begged that certain things not be reported, I gotta re-think things ?..  1 example, the CA company (now 3 times removed) Mighty-Mite people asked me to not include some details about a RZ, and so n so n such..  I was there when it happened, right at the door..yet no, since my band did TOO many covers of the ONLY hit single RZ did (called "the Joker"), and I spent time with Randy n his family, oh my gawdess, the legal drugz r kicking in, I won’t go there.. Wanna deal with the whole NYAL and MosCode reality.  George K is one fucking un-sung hero in the tube world.  He put me up in his house for a week, gave me tons of paper, and taught me more then I forgot 2 know. I’m burning out here…  Yet I couldn’t make this all up. Bite me.   ..female only, please, and yes, I will bite back JJTj Don’t go away MAD, here’s a SASE for you to fill out telling me how tasty my dust is, and an order blank for re-fills…. ..ok….NOW you can go……

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> That means what?  

dick.

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>Marshall Crenshaw – Someday Someway >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFzXLh5lo0&search=Marshall%20Crenshaw >Forgot about this guy.  I wish I remember the story better by now, but >about 25 or so years ago, a local club wanted my friend’s band to open >for Marshall Crenshaw.  I guess Marshall Crenshaw’s management wanted >to use their sound reinforcement gear.   >They said no way! >Crenshaw couldn’t have followed them anyhow.

I was in a band that opened for MC in about 1988 at the old 9:30 club in DC.  It was a two-night stand – Fri and Sat, IIRC.  Opened for him again with another band circa ‘95 at the Bayou (in DC).  He’s a nice guy, great songwriter, and woefully underated (IMO) guitarist. -Scott McKnight

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> He’s a nice > guy, great songwriter, and woefully underated (IMO) guitarist.

See him live a couple of times and he’s a very under-rated guitarist… And one of the finest pop song writers of the past 20 or so years.

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I remebmer loving thta band back in the day, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why. I mean, they had a couple of good tunes, but not as many as I remember. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhvoLcGty0&mode=related&search=status… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tSqPAkYbA&search=status%20quo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fKlORAIYkk&mode=related&search=status… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YEFow266k&mode=related&search=status… Greg

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>I remebmer loving thta band back in the day, but I can’t for the life > of me figure out why. I mean, they had a couple of good tunes, but not > as many as I remember.

I saw them live a few times back in the 70s, and had a bunch of their albums.  I guess part of the attraction was the simplicity, it wasn’t demanding music, just the thing for teenagers.  And it was fun, they were a no-bullshit band, they didn’t want their audience to join a new religion or change their politics or whatever, they just boogied.  The weird thing is not only are they still together and touring, but that over the decades they has had more hit singles in the UK than *any* band, ever.

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>I remebmer loving thta band back in the day, but I can’t for the life > of me figure out why. I mean, they had a couple of good tunes, but not > as many as I remember.

I’ll tell you why. I always thought the name sounded heaver than they ended up being — The Pentatonic Scale Explained http://bluechainlightning.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhvoLcGty0&mode=related&search=status… > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tSqPAkYbA&search=status%20quo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fKlORAIYkk&mode=related&search=status… > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YEFow266k&mode=related&search=status… > Greg

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> >I remebmer loving thta band back in the day, but I can’t for the life > of me figure out why. I mean, they had a couple of good tunes, but not > as many as I remember. > I saw them live a few times back in the 70s, and had a bunch of their > albums.  I guess part of the attraction was the simplicity, it wasn’t > demanding music, just the thing for teenagers.  And it was fun, they were a > no-bullshit band, they didn’t want their audience to join a new religion or > change their politics or whatever, they just boogied.  The weird thing is > not only are they still together and touring, but that over the decades they > has had more hit singles in the UK than *any* band, ever.

You may be right about why I liekd them. Greg

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>I remebmer loving thta band back in the day, but I can’t for the life > of me figure out why. I mean, they had a couple of good tunes, but not > as many as I remember. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhvoLcGty0&mode=related&search=status… > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tSqPAkYbA&search=status%20quo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fKlORAIYkk&mode=related&search=status… > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YEFow266k&mode=related&search=status… > Greg

"Like Ice In The Sun" is a hoot though. It’s almost like an XTC or Dukes of Stratosphear song.

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This is what the liberal media DID NOT report or show you. This is hilarious shit! Click the link to see pics of Cindy Sheehan in an empty tent! LOL Another lib bites the dust! http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/sheehan.asp Origins:   On 26 November 2005, anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan took part in an anti-Iraq war rally held on a one-acre camp site adjacent to the Crawford, Texas, ranch where President Bush was spending the Thanksgiving weekend. Among other activities, Ms. Sheehan participated in a book signing arranged by her publisher for her new book, Not One More Mother’s Child. The turnout for the rally was considerably smaller than the attendance at a similar event held in Crawford in August 2005, reported the Washington Post, due in part to unfavorable weather: Unlike then, when hundreds came from all over the country for major events at the two campsites named after Sheehan’s son, who was killed in Iraq, Sheehan found herself addressing a crowd of only about 100 Saturday afternoon. The large tent where supporters had erected a stage hung with the banner "Speak Truth to Power" was only partially full. In the morning Sheehan signed copies of her new book, being published this week, for an even smaller crowd. The weather did not help. Rain fell hard in central Texas in the early morning before afternoon sunshine but perhaps not before some potential protesters concluded the field and the narrow roads leading to it would be a muddy mess. The pictures displayed here, of a somewhat dejected-looking Cindy Sheehan sitting in a tent at the rally devoid of visitors (other than a few   photographers), were distributed by the Associated Press (AP) and Reuters news agencies and accompanied news reports such as the Washington Post article quoted above. (The AP caption for the first photo read: "Cindy Sheehan waits for people at her book signing near the president’s ranch in Crawford, Tex., where she spoke to a crowd of about 100 people.") A few days after the rally, as reported in Editor & Publisher, Ms. Sheehan and her publisher contended that the photographs had been taken at an inopportune time and misleadingly implied that hardly anyone purchased a copy of Not One More Mother’s Child or attended the book signing event for it: But in a statement today, Sheehan accused "right-wing" sites of "spreading a false story that nobody bought my book at Camp Casey on Saturday. That is not true, I sold all 100 copies and got writer’s cramp signing them. Photos were taken of me before the people got in line to have me sign the book. We made $2000 for the peace house." Her publisher, Arnie Kotler at Koa Books, meanwhile released a letter to her supporters, charging that "AP and Reuters posted photos

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NY Times & their New Yorker are both well-known left wing "sources" for unsubstantiated Democratic propaganda… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If this story is even 50% accurate, >http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact >this administration is truly insane.  I think they really do want to start >WW III: >S. Hersch: U.S. Considers Using Nuclear Weapons on Iran >WASHINGTON (AFP) – The administration of President George W. Bush is >planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of >bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear >weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 >issue. >The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and >others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud >Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler. >"That’s the name they’re using," the report quoted a former senior >intelligence official as saying. >A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that >"this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to >change the power structure in Iran, and that means war." >The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" >and "operational," Hersh writes. >One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a >belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the >religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the >government," The New Yorker pointed out. Heard this before? Just like shock >and awe caused all those scared Iraqis to throw down their weapons and >surrender by the thousands. Uh huh… >Notice the "former defense official" title. So if this plan goes straight >down the toilet, which it will, no skin off his rear, unless of course, >someone launches a nuclear weapon on us (which won’t be shot down by the >"Star Wars" missile non-defense system). In that case, it would be skin off >his ass. Melting, that is. >One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a >bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the >destruction of Iran’s main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes. >But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the >nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some >officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear >option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report. >"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing >nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon >adviser as saying. >The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of >attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might >also reignite Hezbollah. >"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the >adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. (my emphasis) ["B61-11 >Concerns and Background," Brookings Institute] >Bush is on the brink of sending us running head first into a nuclear war. >Has he lost his freaking mind? Has Iraq not taught him anything? Who is he >listening to? Who is giving this man advice? Certainly it is not God. The >G-Man himself would not say "nuke Iran" unless he was carrying a loofa and >a falafel. >It is pre-March 2003 all over again. Imminent threat. Nuclear weapons. >Regime change. Citizens will rise up and overthrow the government. >Certainly I do not want Iran with nuclear capability but engaging in a >first-strike nuclear attack would have economically and politically >damaging ramifications. We would have been sworn off by Arab allies >(probably Western ones, too) and turn the world against us. The "War on >Terror" will not be about battling a violent ideology wrapped in the cloak >of a bastardized religion. Instead, it will embolden our terrorist enemies >to act against us, perhaps with the help of state-sponsors. This would be a >mistake of epic proportions.

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(snip) > The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" > and "operational," Hersh writes.

There is ALLWAYS planning going on… allways. As often as not, the reason it gets "hectic", "operational", etc.. is based more on intel from CIA, NSA, Military Intel, etc…  NOT whatever present administration is in the White House. (snip) > "There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing > nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon > adviser as saying.

This is quite true.  What is hard to comprehend for many people is that OTHER countries are "brandishing nuclear weapons against" US… > The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of > attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might > also reignite Hezbollah.

In case you missed it, we sent Israel a whole MESS of Bunker-buster bombs… conventionally armed, but who knows WHAT Israel has done with them since they got’m… > "If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the > adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. (my emphasis) ["B61-11 > Concerns and Background," Brookings Institute]

Did this *advisor* forget the "differences" between the Iraqis and the Iranians…????  It goes back a few thousand years…??? > Bush is on the brink of sending us running head first into a nuclear war. > Has he lost his freaking mind? Has Iraq not taught him anything?

He’s learned plenty, it’s folks like you who can’t see what has really been learned… ie- from a military standpoint, what happened in Iraq, and what is happening now…???  (Not from a political standpoint..! ! ) >Who is he > listening to? Who is giving this man advice? Certainly it is not God. The > G-Man himself would not say "nuke Iran" unless he was carrying a loofa and > a falafel. > It is pre-March 2003 all over again. Imminent threat. Nuclear weapons. > Regime change. Citizens will rise up and overthrow the government.

Yep. The UN Security Council just had a vote… and a resolution. > Certainly I do not want Iran with nuclear capability but engaging in a > first-strike nuclear attack would have economically and politically > damaging ramifications.

Certainly you do not want a nuclear capable Iran… but as with most.. you provide no realistic means to *stop* Iran from building ‘the bomb’.  If you have a great idea, by all means post it, send it to the White House, your congressmen, etc..! ! ! !  Maybe you’ve got an idea how to stop the Palestinians from blowing themselves up in Israel as well..! ! ! When considering the *bombings*… especially "suicide bombings"… compare Iraq over the last 3 yrs with Israel over the last 13 yrs… http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20Obstacle%20to%20Peace/Palestin… Amazingly, (but not really) people seem horrified by the number of suicide bombings in Iraq, while at the same time immune to the ‘other suicide bombings’… > We would have been sworn off by Arab allies > (probably Western ones, too) and turn the world against us. The "War on > Terror" will not be about battling a violent ideology wrapped in the cloak > of a bastardized religion. >Instead, it will embolden our terrorist enemies > to act against us, perhaps with the help of state-sponsors.

Shit dude… that already happened YEARS ago..! !  After Clinton screwed up by not grabbing Bin Laden, and his cut-and-run in Somalia, the USA reaped it’s rewards on 9/11. >This would be a mistake of epic proportions.

You have your work cut out for you trying to convince people… Good luck.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >(snip) > The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" > and "operational," Hersh writes. >There is ALLWAYS planning going on… allways. As often as not, the >reason it gets "hectic", "operational", etc.. is based more on intel >from CIA, NSA, Military Intel, etc…  NOT whatever present >administration is in the White House. >(snip) > "There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing > nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon > adviser as saying. >This is quite true.  What is hard to comprehend for many people is >that OTHER countries are "brandishing nuclear weapons against" US… > The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of > attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might > also reignite Hezbollah. >In case you missed it, we sent Israel a whole MESS of Bunker-buster >bombs… conventionally armed, but who knows WHAT Israel has done with >them since they got’m… > "If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the > adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. (my emphasis) ["B61-11 > Concerns and Background," Brookings Institute] >Did this *advisor* forget the "differences" between the Iraqis and the >Iranians…????  It goes back a few thousand years…??? > Bush is on the brink of sending us running head first into a nuclear war. > Has he lost his freaking mind? Has Iraq not taught him anything? >He’s learned plenty, it’s folks like you who can’t see what has really >been learned… ie- from a military standpoint, what happened in Iraq, >and what is happening now…???  (Not from a political standpoint..! ! ) >Who is he > listening to? Who is giving this man advice? Certainly it is not God. The > G-Man himself would not say "nuke Iran" unless he was carrying a loofa and > a falafel. > It is pre-March 2003 all over again. Imminent threat. Nuclear weapons. > Regime change. Citizens will rise up and overthrow the government. >Yep. The UN Security Council just had a vote… and a resolution. > Certainly I do not want Iran with nuclear capability but engaging in a > first-strike nuclear attack would have economically and politically > damaging ramifications. >Certainly you do not want a nuclear capable Iran… but as with most.. >you provide no realistic means to *stop* Iran from building ‘the >bomb’.  If you have a great idea, by all means post it, send it to the >White House, your congressmen, etc..! ! ! !  Maybe you’ve got an idea >how to stop the Palestinians from blowing themselves up in Israel as >well..! ! ! >When considering the *bombings*… especially "suicide bombings"… >compare Iraq over the last 3 yrs with Israel over the last 13 yrs… >http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20Obstacle%20to%20Peace/Palestin… >Amazingly, (but not really) people seem horrified by the number of >suicide bombings in Iraq, while at the same time immune to the ‘other >suicide bombings’… > We would have been sworn off by Arab allies > (probably Western ones, too) and turn the world against us. The "War on > Terror" will not be about battling a violent ideology wrapped in the cloak > of a bastardized religion. >Instead, it will embolden our terrorist enemies > to act against us, perhaps with the help of state-sponsors. >Shit dude… that already happened YEARS ago..! !  After Clinton >screwed up by not grabbing Bin Laden, and his cut-and-run in Somalia, >the USA reaped it’s rewards on 9/11. >This would be a mistake of epic proportions. >You have your work cut out for you trying to convince people… >Good luck.

My guess is at some point in the not too far future there will be an "accidental" supercritical event at one of the main Iranian nuclear weapons facilities. Isotopic analysis of the fissile residues will be "inconclusive" as to the origins of the material but will point to non-US origin. Claude

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> If this story is even 50% accurate, > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > this administration is truly insane.  I think they really do want to start > WW III:

Naw…I doubt it. But let’s look at what some of the choices are. Our threats of "mutually assured destruction" made the USSR blink and then become paralyzed. I think secular leaders don’t want to shorten their time on earth. Islamo-fascists might view things differently. I wonder what our response should be if Israel was nuked? What should our response be if Washington, DC was nuked? Or NYC or LA? It would not surprise me if the US thought Ahmadinejad thought more like a secularist and have communicated to him that any conventional move towards Israel would be met with a conventional response and any nuclear move would be met with a nuclear response. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Israel attacked the development sites in the same fashion as their attack on the French built nuclear plan in Iraq. Regards, Doug

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so that’s why the NYT let Judy Miller cheerlead for the war on Iraq. I mean they are so left wing and here she’s an agent of Bush co.  Are you sure you checked your facts??? Or do you not know your left from your right?

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>NY Times & their New Yorker are both well-known left wing "sources" >for unsubstantiated Democratic propaganda…

The NYT’s Judith Miller was a virtual mouthpiece for the administration regarding the Iraq war effort, so it’s hard to see how one can say it publishes "Democratic propaganda" — like most MSM institutions, it tries to walk a fine line between reporting the news and not pissing off the government, and it sometimes succeeds. In this case, the NYT is only reporting on what The New Yorker published, which in this case was a quite detailed and convincing report by Seymour Hirsch, who is widely regarded as one of our greatest and most rigorously accurate investigative journalists — it’s very hard to find incidents where he’s been wrong to any significant degree.  Whether you agree with his conclusions or not his sources are impeccable and his command of the facts has been close to perfect for literally decades.  I wouldn’t bet against him being (at least very close to) right on anything he covers if I were you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If this story is even 50% accurate, >http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact >this administration is truly insane.  I think they really do want to start >WW III: >S. Hersch: U.S. Considers Using Nuclear Weapons on Iran >WASHINGTON (AFP) – The administration of President George W. Bush is >planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of >bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear >weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 >issue. >The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and >others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud >Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler. >"That’s the name they’re using," the report quoted a former senior >intelligence official as saying. >A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that >"this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to >change the power structure in Iran, and that means war." >The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" >and "operational," Hersh writes. >One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a >belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the >religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the >government," The New Yorker pointed out. Heard this before? Just like shock >and awe caused all those scared Iraqis to throw down their weapons and >surrender by the thousands. Uh huh… >Notice the "former defense official" title. So if this plan goes straight >down the toilet, which it will, no skin off his rear, unless of course, >someone launches a nuclear weapon on us (which won’t be shot down by the >"Star Wars" missile non-defense system). In that case, it would be skin off >his ass. Melting, that is. >One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a >bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the >destruction of Iran’s main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes. >But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the >nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some >officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear >option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report. >"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing >nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon >adviser as saying. >The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of >attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might >also reignite Hezbollah. >"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the >adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. (my emphasis) ["B61-11 >Concerns and Background," Brookings Institute] >Bush is on the brink of sending us running head first into a nuclear war. >Has he lost his freaking mind? Has Iraq not taught him anything? Who is he >listening to? Who is giving this man advice? Certainly it is not God. The >G-Man himself would not say "nuke Iran" unless he was carrying a loofa and >a falafel. >It is pre-March 2003 all over again. Imminent threat. Nuclear weapons. >Regime change. Citizens will rise up and overthrow the government. >Certainly I do not want Iran with nuclear capability but engaging in a >first-strike nuclear attack would have economically and politically >damaging ramifications. We would have been sworn off by Arab allies >(probably Western ones, too) and turn the world against us. The "War on >Terror" will not be about battling a violent ideology wrapped in the cloak >of a bastardized religion. Instead, it will embolden our terrorist enemies >to act against us, perhaps with the help of state-sponsors. This would be a >mistake of epic proportions.

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> It also wouldn’t surprise me if Israel attacked the development sites in the > same fashion as their attack on the French built nuclear plan in Iraq.

and then should Isreal be surprised if Iran or what’s left of Russia or China attacks them? It’d be a nice excuse. (shrug) Bam/bam/bam you hit my friend so I hit you, then  your friend hits my friend and so on. Works just like the personal realations here in AGA! Let’s see now, who sold Isreal jet and missles? Who sold Iran nuclear power plants? Who sold Isreal nuclear power plants? What universities trained Iranian nuclear scientists? Isreali nuclear scientists? Iraqi nuclear scientists?  Where’s they learn these tricks?

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just like the anthrax??? oh yeah?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->(snip) >>The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" >>and "operational," Hersh writes. >There is ALLWAYS planning going on… allways. As often as not, the >reason it gets "hectic", "operational", etc.. is based more on intel >from CIA, NSA, Military Intel, etc…  NOT whatever present >administration is in the White House. >(snip) >>"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing >>nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon >>adviser as saying. >This is quite true.  What is hard to comprehend for many people is >that OTHER countries are "brandishing nuclear weapons against" US… >>The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of >>attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might >>also reignite Hezbollah. >In case you missed it, we sent Israel a whole MESS of Bunker-buster >bombs… conventionally armed, but who knows WHAT Israel has done with >them since they got’m… >>"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the >>adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. (my emphasis) ["B61-11 >>Concerns and Background," Brookings Institute] >Did this *advisor* forget the "differences" between the Iraqis and the >Iranians…????  It goes back a few thousand years…??? >>Bush is on the brink of sending us running head first into a nuclear war. >>Has he lost his freaking mind? Has Iraq not taught him anything? >He’s learned plenty, it’s folks like you who can’t see what has really >been learned… ie- from a military standpoint, what happened in Iraq, >and what is happening now…???  (Not from a political standpoint..! ! ) >>Who is he >>listening to? Who is giving this man advice? Certainly it is not God. The >>G-Man himself would not say "nuke Iran" unless he was carrying a loofa and >>a falafel. >>It is pre-March 2003 all over again. Imminent threat. Nuclear weapons. >>Regime change. Citizens will rise up and overthrow the government. >Yep. The UN Security Council just had a vote… and a resolution. >>Certainly I do not want Iran with nuclear capability but engaging in a >>first-strike nuclear attack would have economically and politically >>damaging ramifications. >Certainly you do not want a nuclear capable Iran… but as with most.. >you provide no realistic means to *stop* Iran from building ‘the >bomb’.  If you have a great idea, by all means post it, send it to the >White House, your congressmen, etc..! ! ! !  Maybe you’ve got an idea >how to stop the Palestinians from blowing themselves up in Israel as >well..! ! ! >When considering the *bombings*… especially "suicide bombings"… >compare Iraq over the last 3 yrs with Israel over the last 13 yrs… >http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20Obstacle%20to%20Peace/Palestin… >Amazingly, (but not really) people seem horrified by the number of >suicide bombings in Iraq, while at the same time immune to the ‘other >suicide bombings’… >>We would have been sworn off by Arab allies >>(probably Western ones, too) and turn the world against us. The "War on >>Terror" will not be about battling a violent ideology wrapped in the cloak >>of a bastardized religion. >>Instead, it will embolden our terrorist enemies >>to act against us, perhaps with the help of state-sponsors. >Shit dude… that already happened YEARS ago..! !  After Clinton >screwed up by not grabbing Bin Laden, and his cut-and-run in Somalia, >the USA reaped it’s rewards on 9/11. >>This would be a mistake of epic proportions. >You have your work cut out for you trying to convince people… >Good luck. > My guess is at some point in the not too far future there > will be an "accidental" supercritical event at one of the > main Iranian nuclear weapons facilities. > Isotopic analysis of the fissile residues will be > "inconclusive" as to the origins of the material > but will point to non-US origin. > Claude

Then, Rocky and Bullwinkle will implicate Boris and Natasha.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If this story is even 50% accurate, >http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact >this administration is truly insane.  I think they really do want to start >WW III: > Naw…I doubt it. > But let’s look at what some of the choices are. > Our threats of "mutually assured destruction" made the USSR blink and then > become paralyzed. I think secular leaders don’t want to shorten their time > on earth. Islamo-fascists might view things differently. > I wonder what our response should be if Israel was nuked? > What should our response be if Washington, DC was nuked? Or NYC or LA? > Regards, > Doug

Define "our".

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>>NY Times & their New Yorker are both well-known left wing "sources" >for unsubstantiated Democratic propaganda… >The NYT’s Judith Miller was >a virtual mouthpiece for the >administration regarding the >Iraq war effort, so it’s >hard to see how one can say >it publishes "Democratic >propaganda" —

LOL! There’s a whole website based on it! http://www.timeswatch.org/ Documenting and exposing the Liberal Political Agenda of the NY Times like most MSM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->institutions, it tries to >walk a fine line between >reporting the news and not >pissing off the government, >and it sometimes succeeds. >In this case, the NYT is >only reporting on what The >New Yorker published, which >in this case was a quite >detailed and convincing >report by Seymour Hirsch, >who is widely regarded as >one of our greatest and >most rigorously accurate >investigative journalists >– it’s very hard to find >incidents where he’s been >wrong to any significant >degree.  Whether you agree >with his conclusions or not >his sources are impeccable >and his command of the >facts has been close to >perfect for literally >decades.  I wouldn’t bet >against him being (at least >very close to) right on >anything he covers if I >were you.

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>>NY Times & their New Yorker are both well-known left wing "sources" >for unsubstantiated Democratic propaganda… >That would be the same NY Times that employed Judith Miller, who >enthusiatically promoted the Iraw war…   >That would be the same Seymour Hersch that exposed the Mai Lai massacre in >Vietnam…

LOL! There’s a whole website based on it! http://www.timeswatch.org/ Documenting and exposing the Liberal Political Agenda of the NY Times >Got brains?

Why, you need some? Obviously! Ack ack ack And what’s wrong with nipping Hitler jr. in the bud? You do know Hitler foretold in his book, Mein Kampf, everything he did 20 years later. Everyone laughed at him at the time and didn’t take him seriously (except Churchill). Same goes with "the jews must be wiped out" Iranian President, only this time Bush is Churchill. Amazing what Libs don’t know about the past and who they defend these days.

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it’s LV THERE’S WHOLE WEBSITE DEDICATED TO DEBUNK THE RIGHT.  PRATICALLY A WHOLE INTERNETS.

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>Bush obviously knows nothing of history, or Iraq would not be in the total >mess it is in now.  And he wouldn’t be thinking that bombin Iran was a good >idea either, if he had a clue.  It’s the same small neocon cabal of >unelected pentagon officials that are running this.

Sure, let’s strike a deal with Iran and surely they won’t make nuclear weapons. Just like Europe struck a deal with Hitler. Libs – don’t know shit about history.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > –snip– >One former defense official said the military planning >was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing >campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership >and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the >government," The New Yorker pointed out. >I wish Dubya would have stuck with the drinking >and cheerleading, and left running the country to >someone with a little brains & empathy. >The Repair Guy >http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/

LOL! You’re believing the NY Times and an annonymous former defense official? Who has no brains?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>NY Times & their New Yorker are both well-known left wing "sources" >>for unsubstantiated Democratic propaganda… >The NYT’s Judith Miller was >a virtual mouthpiece for the >administration regarding the >Iraq war effort, so it’s >hard to see how one can say >it publishes "Democratic >propaganda" — > LOL! > There’s a whole website based on it! > http://www.timeswatch.org/ > Documenting and exposing the Liberal Political Agenda of the NY Times

As usual, you’re a moron.   –E

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Propaganda bullshit .. Or else USA just blew millions of dollars for extrermely bad national security agency. This sound more like scare tactics leaked so the Iran’s get nervious and make a deal.

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> As usual, you’re a moron. >   –E

Looks like a sociopathic stalking moron in your net E, stomp the net and let it slither back dead to the bottom of the stale pond.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Bush obviously knows nothing of history, or Iraq would not be in the total >>mess it is in now.  And he wouldn’t be thinking that bombin Iran was a good >>idea either, if he had a clue.  It’s the same small neocon cabal of >>unelected pentagon officials that are running this. >Sure, let’s strike a deal with Iran and surely they won’t make nuclear >weapons. Just like Europe struck a deal with Hitler. >If you are comparing Iran with Nazi Germany, your own grasp of history is >weak.

WOW, you’re not only an liberal idiot, but you’re an uneducated liberal idiot. No wonder you hate American GIs so much and call them child rapists. Here’s a couple pages from history, only this time, were talking about a nuclear armed Iran: —— "Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets. If you committed this big crime, then why should the oppressed Palestinian nation pay the price? The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world. The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map" – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Compare with – "And one more thing I would like now to state on this day memorable perhaps not only for us Germans. I have often been a prophet in my life and was generally laughed at. During my struggle for power, the Jews primarily received with laughter my prophecies that I would someday assume the leadership of the state and thereby of the entire nation and then, among many other things, achieve a solution of the Jewish problem. I suppose that meanwhile the laughter of Jewry in Germany that resounded then is probably already choking in their throats. Today I want to be a prophet again. If international finance Jewry within Europe and abroad should succeed once more in plunging the peoples into a world war, then the consequence will be not the Bolshevization of the world and therewith a victory of Jewry, but on the contrary, the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe." – Adolf Hitler, January 30, 1939

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>>Propaganda bullshit .. Or else USA just blew millions >of dollars for extrermely bad national security agency. >This sound more like scare tactics leaked so the >Iran’s get nervious and make a deal. >It’s the same crap as with Iraq… compare the guy to Hitler, say they have >WMD and are an imminent threat.  I don’t think public opinion is going to >go their way this time.  Of course any evidence will be bombed to >smithereens anyway…

LOL! All of Europe has been trying to negotiate with Iran because they firmly believe Iran is going to get nukes. Only an uneducated Lib would say "It was like this in Iraq, so it must be like this in Iran". That’s why we can never win another war – the Libs constantly undermine their own country.

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>Propaganda bullshit .. Or else USA just blew millions >of dollars for extrermely bad national security agency. >This sound more like scare tactics leaked so the >Iran’s get nervious and make a deal.

Exactly. Libs always see one thing, one way. They are simple minded and will do anything to undermine their own country. They have a lust for power at all costs, even if it means defeat of their nation, because to the lib, gay marriage, abortion and the rest of their whacked lifestyle are more important than anything else.

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>(snip) > The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" > and "operational," Hersh writes. >There is ALLWAYS planning going on… allways. As often as not, the >reason it gets "hectic", "operational", etc.. is based more on intel >from CIA, NSA, Military Intel, etc…  NOT whatever present >administration is in the White House.

Bingo! Just like we are constantly planning a war with China and every other conceivable threat, it doesn’t mean it is our planned path of action. Libs want to deal with threats after they are developed, sane people want to stop a threat from developing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->(snip) >>The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" >>and "operational," Hersh writes. >There is ALLWAYS planning going on… allways. As often as not, the >reason it gets "hectic", "operational", etc.. is based more on intel >from CIA, NSA, Military Intel, etc…  NOT whatever present >administration is in the White House. >(snip) >>"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing >>nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon >>adviser as saying. >This is quite true.  What is hard to comprehend for many people is >that OTHER countries are "brandishing nuclear weapons against" US… >>The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of >>attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might >>also reignite Hezbollah. >In case you missed it, we sent Israel a whole MESS of Bunker-buster >bombs… conventionally armed, but who knows WHAT Israel has done with >them since they got’m… >>"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the >>adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. (my emphasis) ["B61-11 >>Concerns and Background," Brookings Institute] >Did this *advisor* forget the "differences" between the Iraqis and the >Iranians…????  It goes back a few thousand years…??? >>Bush is on the brink of sending us running head first into a nuclear war. >>Has he lost his freaking mind? Has Iraq not taught him anything? >He’s learned plenty, it’s folks like you who can’t see what has really >been learned… ie- from a military standpoint, what happened in Iraq, >and what is happening now…???  (Not from a political standpoint..! ! ) >>Who is he >>listening to? Who is giving this man advice? Certainly it is not God. The >>G-Man himself would not say "nuke Iran" unless he was carrying a loofa and >>a falafel. >>It is pre-March 2003 all over again. Imminent threat. Nuclear weapons. >>Regime change. Citizens will rise up and overthrow the government. >Yep. The UN Security Council just had a vote… and a resolution. >>Certainly I do not want Iran with nuclear capability but engaging in a >>first-strike nuclear attack would have economically and politically >>damaging ramifications. >Certainly you do not want a nuclear capable Iran… but as with most.. >you provide no realistic means to *stop* Iran from building ‘the >bomb’.  If you have a great idea, by all means post it, send it to the >White House, your congressmen, etc..! ! ! !  Maybe you’ve got an idea >how to stop the Palestinians from blowing themselves up in Israel as >well..! ! ! >When considering the *bombings*… especially "suicide bombings"… >compare Iraq over the last 3 yrs with Israel over the last 13 yrs… >http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20Obstacle%20to%20Peace/Palestin… >Amazingly, (but not really) people seem horrified by the number of >suicide bombings in Iraq, while at the same time immune to the ‘other >suicide bombings’… >>We would have been sworn off by Arab allies >>(probably Western ones, too) and turn the world against us. The "War on >>Terror" will not be about battling a violent ideology wrapped in the cloak >>of a bastardized religion. >>Instead, it will embolden our terrorist enemies >>to act against us, perhaps with the help of state-sponsors. >Shit dude… that already happened YEARS ago..! !  After Clinton >screwed up by not grabbing Bin Laden, and his cut-and-run in Somalia, >the USA reaped it’s rewards on 9/11. >>This would be a mistake of epic proportions. >You have your work cut out for you trying to convince people… >Good luck. > My guess is at some point in the not too far future there > will be an "accidental" supercritical event at one of the > main Iranian nuclear weapons facilities.

That’s a realistic possibility… > Isotopic analysis of the fissile residues will be > "inconclusive" as to the origins of the material > but will point to non-US origin.

But, of course…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Claude

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>Propaganda bullshit .. Or else USA just blew millions >of dollars for extrermely bad national security agency. >This sound more like scare tactics leaked so the >Iran’s get nervious and make a deal. > It’s the same crap as with Iraq… compare the guy to Hitler, say they > have > WMD and are an imminent threat.  I don’t think public opinion is going to > go their way this time.  Of course any evidence will be bombed to > smithereens anyway…

First, what do you think WMDs are, anyway? Chemical? Biological? Nukes? What do you think Saddam did with the stockpile of chemical weapons he had? The corrupt UN sent inspectors with enough lead time to move them. What do you think he did? Bury them? Move them to Syria? Or do you think Iraq never had chemical weapons in the first place? Based on what Bush said, did you expect us to find missile silos? Doug

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Propaganda bullshit .. Or else USA just blew millions >>>of dollars for extrermely bad national security agency. >>>This sound more like scare tactics leaked so the >>>Iran’s get nervious and make a deal. >>It’s the same crap as with Iraq… compare the guy to Hitler, say they have >>WMD and are an imminent threat.  I don’t think public opinion is going to >>go their way this time.  Of course any evidence will be bombed to >>smithereens anyway… >LOL! All of Europe has been trying to negotiate with Iran because they >firmly believe Iran is going to get nukes. >Right… negotiate, not attack them. Doh!

Europe has negotiated for the last two years with Iran, what has it accomplished? Two more years for iran to get closer to a nuke! Doh!

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I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. Now read this: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

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> I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

But it’s all SO Harmless, i mean it IS the religion of PEACE. Bring back the Pledge of Allegiance!                     MJP

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> I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation.

Oh dear,  completely bonkers. How many Muslims are there in the USA,  not counting the Black Muslims,  who the mainstream Muslims don’t accept. — William Black I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach Time for tea.

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Every so often one of these never-was, or will be cases types something like this; >I am on record for saying that

It’s free, so consider the value

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> I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

Kindly keep this stuff out of alt.guitar. Thanks.

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> > I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487 > Kindly keep this stuff out of alt.guitar. Thanks.

You are perfectly free to ignore it.

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Hmmm… Maybe that new annoyance law has a purpose afterall.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

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> I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487 > Kindly keep this stuff out of alt.guitar. Thanks.

My apologies i didn’t notice the cross-post, i meant it to stay at AGA when i replied.                                                          MJP

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Yep, timepixdc has around 120 posts in less than 3 days, has not said a thing yet & used on average 5 words per post. None of which had any substance at all. That should be covered under the new law.  But I do agree there are "elements" of radical Islam in the U.S.<< being watched VERY closely. Thank you. Texas Blue

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmm… Maybe that new annoyance law has a purpose afterall. >I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

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> > Kindly keep this stuff out of alt.guitar. Thanks. > You are perfectly free to ignore it.

YES, I could ignore it. I could kill-file you if I choose. But that’s not the point. You’re posting political and religious spam in a guitar newsgroup. Don’t you see anything wrong with that? There are plenty of political newsgroups out there. If you decide to stop. Thank you. I applaud your respect for other people. – Rich

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did courageously avow: >Yep, timepixdc has around 120 posts in less than 3 days, has not said a >thing yet & used on average 5 words per post. None of which had any >substance at all. That should be covered under the new law. > But I do agree there are "elements" of radical Islam in the U.S.<< being >watched VERY closely. >Thank you. >Texas Blue

There are equally as radical non-Muslims running around North America. They just haven’t popped their heads up lately, Timothy Veigh ring a bell? Ken Wilson Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/ For the Other Side of Things http://www.whitehouse.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > did courageously avow: >Yep, timepixdc has around 120 posts in less than 3 days, has not said a >thing yet & used on average 5 words per post. None of which had any >substance at all. That should be covered under the new law. > But I do agree there are "elements" of radical Islam in the U.S.<< being >watched VERY closely. >Thank you. >Texas Blue > There are equally as radical non-Muslims running around North America. > They just haven’t popped their heads up lately, Timothy Veigh ring a > bell? > Ken Wilson > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca > http://www.criticalhistory.com/ > For the Other Side of Things http://www.whitehouse.org/

    The magazine "Intelligence Report", in its summer 2005 issue, reports almost 60 right wing terrorist plots uncovered in the U.S. SINCE Oklahoma City.     We should be keeping an eye on the activities of any violent extremists, but let’s keep a little perspective here, shall we?

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> & used on average 5 words per post

So what?

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>I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in >full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making >headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. >Now read this: >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

Kinda the same way the liberals do it.

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Hell, Ken our redneck brigades in the U.S. make those ragheads look like good guys. I, nor anyone I know will or would associate with them. Definition: raghead –  radical muslim                   complete idiot – pat robertson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > did courageously avow: >Yep, timepixdc has around 120 posts in less than 3 days, has not said a >thing yet & used on average 5 words per post. None of which had any >substance at all. That should be covered under the new law. > But I do agree there are "elements" of radical Islam in the U.S.<< being >watched VERY closely. >Thank you. >Texas Blue > There are equally as radical non-Muslims running around North America. > They just haven’t popped their heads up lately, Timothy Veigh ring a > bell? > Ken Wilson > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca > http://www.criticalhistory.com/ > For the Other Side of Things http://www.whitehouse.org/

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>I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487

What has this to do with guitars or amps? Nothing. Go post your OT stuff elsewhere. At the very minimum put "OT:" in the subject line.

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And our home grown terrorists are a hell of allot meaner & smarter.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> did courageously avow: >>Yep, timepixdc has around 120 posts in less than 3 days, has not said a >>thing yet & used on average 5 words per post. None of which had any >>substance at all. That should be covered under the new law. >> But I do agree there are "elements" of radical Islam in the U.S.<< being >>watched VERY closely. >>Thank you. >>Texas Blue > There are equally as radical non-Muslims running around North America. > They just haven’t popped their heads up lately, Timothy Veigh ring a > bell? > Ken Wilson > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca > http://www.criticalhistory.com/ > For the Other Side of Things http://www.whitehouse.org/ >    The magazine "Intelligence Report", in its summer 2005 issue, reports > almost 60 right wing terrorist plots uncovered in the U.S. SINCE Oklahoma > City. >    We should be keeping an eye on the activities of any violent > extremists, but let’s keep a little perspective here, shall we?

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> So far, USA have interfered in many countries to impose an islamic > movement. Looks like a dose of one’s own medicine.

The USA is imposing an Islamic movement in many countries ? Well, I’ve certainly learned something new today. Note:  Your original post will now be permanently archived , as it is associated now with my reply. Have a nice day.

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reminds of how certain ploitically insane are prosletyzing on a newsgroup ablout musical instruments not a dozen feet away.  Thank Gud for the Chinese, perhaps they’ll mop up all the Mono Maniacs. What a lot of pissants you pimples on the book  lot are. Yeh I vote Chink ( respectfully, to the Chinese, not you yerks) over you insane crooks stirring up your murders and wars.  Bacjk to instruments. do the Chinese make the best guitars yet? If not, when?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> So far, USA have interfered in many countries to impose an islamic >> movement. Looks like a dose of one’s own medicine. > The USA is imposing an Islamic movement in many countries ? > Well, I’ve certainly learned something new today. > Note:  Your original post will now be permanently archived , as it > is associated now with my reply. Have a nice day. > Piss off idiot and wipe your ass with your tongue.

With his back to the wall the Rookie, mental midget that he is, resorts to profanities.  If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were Carl.

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> >I am on record for saying that the Islamic insurgency in the USA is in > full force, not by overt aggressive action, but by subtly making > headway into the schools and political process of our Nation. > Now read this: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48487 > What has this to do with guitars or amps? Nothing. Go post your OT stuff > elsewhere. At the very minimum put "OT:" in the subject line.

OK

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>>    The magazine "Intelligence Report", in its summer 2005 issue, reports > almost 60 right wing terrorist plots uncovered in the U.S. SINCE Oklahoma > City. >    We should be keeping an eye on the activities of any violent > extremists, but let’s keep a little perspective here, shall we?

> And our home grown terrorists are a hell of allot meaner & smarter.

Some of ‘em may be smarter.  But probably not James Gluck, the guy who collect the ingredients to make a deadly poison, then actually wrote a letter to the judges that he planned to "wage biological warfare".  (By the way, he got out in 2001.)  And probably not Donald Beauregard, the head of the Southeastern States Alliance, who "claimed to have discovered a secret map detailing a planned UN takeover mistakenly printed on a box of Trix cereal".  (He was released in ‘04.) I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: these neo-nazis are just as dumb as a bucket of dirt, and only half as useful.

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@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > I am on record for saying that (blah blah blah)

You’re going to have to provide your full, real name, your address, telephone number and social security. Failure to do so on your part will expose you as just another crank with a keyboard.

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> > Kindly keep this stuff out of alt.guitar. Thanks. > You are perfectly free to ignore it. > YES, I could ignore it. I could kill-file you if I choose. But that’s > not the point. You’re posting political and religious spam in a guitar > newsgroup. Don’t you see anything wrong with that? There are plenty of > political newsgroups out there. > If you decide to stop. Thank you. I applaud your respect for other > people. > – Rich

He posts here because he feels safe from any ‘real’ counter argument that would happen if the post was made in a regular political newsgroup. Knowing no-one will actually take him to task lets him feel like he’s right. > You are perfectly free to ignore it.

So post that shit here all you want moron. Everyone knows you’re incapable of wit with any political peer.

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In case you haven’t been following the election results in Iraq….the results so far (could be a while before we have the final results) show that the country will now be ruled with heavy influence from the Shia religious coalition and the Sunni Arab Parties (who provided a great deal of support to the insurgents, by the way)–a major victory in their view and a stunning upset for the candidates supported by the US and Great Britain. This can’t be what GWB had in mind, in his vision for a democratic Iraq.  It will be anything *but* what we consider "democratic."  Rather, putting a religious fundamentalist government in control will create a new Taliban (more or less). Iran is pleased with the results so far, as the Shia Religious Parties, the ones they supported in the election, have won a strong majority.  No doubt, they’ll be looking to establish close ties with the new government….more bad news for GWB. In fact, it couldn’t be much worse…the parties who opposed the US/British the most, are the very parties who’ve won major victories. This should just about do it for the reputation of GWB.  We have been misled into the war with his grand vision of "saving" the Iraqis from a tyrant, only to watch him muck the job royally….and then leave the country in even worse circumstances. Add to this, his plan of establishing favorable US influence in the region…has now blown up in his face…and this could go down as one of the biggest military and political blunders in history. Here’s a quote from The Independant: "The break-up of Iraq has been brought closer by the election. The great majority of people who went to the polls voted as Shia, Sunni or Kurds – and not as Iraqis. The forces pulling Iraq apart are stronger than those holding it together. The election, billed by Mr Bush and Mr Blair as the birth of a new Iraqi state may in fact prove to be its funeral." Nice work, GW.  What’s next on the "war on terror" agenda, now that this part has gone so well?  Iran?  North Korea? How about…..impeachment? Mike

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>In case you haven’t been following the election results in >Iraq….the results so far (could be a while before we have >the final results) show that the country will now be ruled >with heavy influence from the Shia religious coalition and >the Sunni Arab Parties (who provided a great deal of support >to the insurgents, by the way)–a major victory in their >view and a stunning upset for the candidates supported by >the US and Great Britain. >This can’t be what GWB had in mind, in his vision for a >democratic Iraq.  It will be anything *but* what we consider >"democratic."  Rather, putting a religious fundamentalist >government in control will create a new Taliban (more or less).

What an idiot! Do you even know what a democracy is? A democracy *isn’t* forcing candidates supported by the US and England into power. In fact, that would just be the opposite. And do you know what a constitution is? It’s something whoever is in power will have to govern by. Yep, America is mostly Christian and so are our leaders. You know what that means by your logic – if you are a Jew, a Buddhist, a Moslem, etc. you are screwed. America is anything but democratic by your theory. Dumbass liberals, they cry that we occupy the place then they cry when we let them vote for who they want then they cry again that we don’t occupy the place. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, IDIOT!

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>Yep, America is mostly Christian and so are our leaders. You know what >that means by your logic – if you are a Jew, a Buddhist, a Moslem, >etc. you are screwed. America is anything but democratic by your >theory.

Your comparison of American diversity with the situation in Iraq only shows off your room temperature IQ.

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> Dumbass liberals, they cry that we occupy the place then they cry when > we let them vote for who they want then they cry again that we don’t > occupy the place. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, IDIOT!

This is all part of a brilliant strategy on Bush’s part. By installing an Islamofascist regime in Iraq that is allied with terrorists, he creates an excellent justification for invading Iraq. Sure, he invaded before he had the justification in place, but nobody’s perfect.

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> Dumbass liberals, they cry that we occupy the place then they cry when > we let them vote for who they want then they cry again that we don’t > occupy the place. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, IDIOT! > This is all part of a brilliant strategy on Bush’s part. By installing > an Islamofascist regime in Iraq that is allied with terrorists, he > creates an excellent justification for invading Iraq. Sure, he invaded > before he had the justification in place, but nobody’s perfect.

This is the most perfect example of self-parody we have seen since the departure of MVM. Dr. F. P.S.  Back to the books.  Your English 101 TA doesn’t give credit for insipid Usenet posts.

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>>Dumbass liberals, they cry that we occupy the place then they cry when >we let them vote for who they want then they cry again that we don’t >occupy the place. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, IDIOT! > This is all part of a brilliant strategy on Bush’s part. By installing > an Islamofascist regime in Iraq that is allied with terrorists, he > creates an excellent justification for invading Iraq. Sure, he invaded > before he had the justification in place, but nobody’s perfect.

Asshat.

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and your arrival which coincided oddly enough with MVM’s departure. Could it be?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Dumbass liberals, they cry that we occupy the place then they cry when > > > we let them vote for who they want then they cry again that we don’t > > > occupy the place. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, IDIOT! > > This is all part of a brilliant strategy on Bush’s part. By installing > > an Islamofascist regime in Iraq that is allied with terrorists, he > > creates an excellent justification for invading Iraq. Sure, he invaded > > before he had the justification in place, but nobody’s perfect. > This is the most perfect example of self-parody we have seen since the > departure of MVM. > and your arrival which coincided oddly enough with MVM’s departure. > Could it be?

My arrival preceded his departure by some weeks.  His departure did coincide with this post, however: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Ain’t seen him in here in, what, a month? >>Don’t question your good fortune. >larry’s good fortune ended when the dick clog he was part of >impacted an egg. > We now direct our attention to this specimen, typus perpetual miscreant. > Sometimes the sad experience of life teaches certain individuals that for > them a positive outcome is not to be expected.  They find as a rule that, > due to misplaced arroganz or condescension, others take an instant dislike > to them, and initially they react to this negative experience by subjecting > themselves to even more critical situations in which they are inordinately > exposed to the potential disapproval of others.  Some might for example > choose a career in sales or the performing arts in an attempt to challenge > the conclusion that their inner selves have drawn from their environment: > i.e. they are fundamentally unlikeable, that despite some indications to the > contrary, such as a savantlike talent for art or the memorization of bus > timetables, they are wholly without redeeming qualities. > Alas, their experiences during this challenge phase ultimately prove their > undoing, as the inevitable firings, divorces, long periods of unemployment, > disaffection of annoyed salesclerks in music stores, etc. finally lead them > to the inescapable conclusion that the only sure path to success for is > badness.  They adopt the attitude that if they must be hated, they will > elevate being hated to an art form.  The sad irony in all this is that, like > our case study here, what they believe to be the hatred of others rarely > makes it past disgust. > Gru

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Judge Rules Against Pa. Biology Curriculum By MARTHA RAFFAELE (Associated Press) HARRISBURG, Pa. – "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives, he said. "The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote, calling the board’s decision "breathtaking inanity." "The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources," he wrote. The plaintiffs challenging the policy argued that intelligent design amounts to a secular repackaging of biblical creationism, which the courts have already ruled cannot be taught in public schools. The judge agreed. "We find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom," he wrote in his 139-page opinion. Said the judge: "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

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> Judge Rules Against Pa. Biology Curriculum > By MARTHA RAFFAELE > (Associated Press)

Something else from the Right that I have spoken out about, that you consistantly ignore. You’re getting Ignorance down as an art form. See ya, John

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OK – we’ll give that one John Mr Soul

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> > Judge Rules Against Pa. Biology Curriculum > By MARTHA RAFFAELE > (Associated Press) > Something else from the Right that I have spoken out about

You’ve got to have something to agree about with your liberal "friends" or they might find out what you really believe.

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>> Judge Rules Against Pa. Biology Curriculum > By MARTHA RAFFAELE > (Associated Press) >Something else from the Right that I have spoken out about, that you >consistantly ignore. You’re getting Ignorance down as an art form. >See ya, >John

Johnboy, get a fucking real news reader would you. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud,  Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the  Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE)  and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/

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To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual. . . . There is grandeur in this view of life . . . having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that . . . from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved. CHARLES DARWIN, Origin of Species The evolutionists’ hero invokes creationism. BAM!!! Cheers, Mick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on > matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past > and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary > causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual. . > . . There is grandeur in this view of life . . . having been originally > breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that . . . > from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been, and are being evolved. > CHARLES DARWIN, Origin of Species >n > The evolutionists’ hero invokes creationism. > BAM!!! > Cheers, > Mick

There is no real fight between Darwin’s idea of evolution and the Creation….only an interpretation of the origin and time passing since then.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on > matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past > and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary > causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual. . > . . There is grandeur in this view of life . . . having been originally > breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that . . . > from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been, and are being evolved. > CHARLES DARWIN, Origin of Species > n > The evolutionists’ hero invokes creationism. > BAM!!! > Cheers, > Mick > There is no real fight between Darwin’s idea of evolution and the > Creation….only an interpretation of the origin and time passing since > then.

BTW, BAM! sounds like the brand of peanut-butter sold in the Rice Food Markets in Houston, TX, 40 some-odd years ago (yeah, it was BAMA, aamof)…..or were you just imitating Emeril?  :-)

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Imitating the infamouse KABONG.  ;-) M

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> Imitating the infamouse KABONG.  ;-) > M

OK…THAT makes sense….in an Emeril sort of way.  :-)

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>The evolutionists’ hero invokes creationism.

I prefer to believe like some indigenous inhabitants of Asia, that the world is supported on the backs of giant turtles.

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Hah! That’s a joke. No way can a bunch of turtles hold up the world…it’s obviously Galapagos Tortoises! M

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> Hah! That’s a joke. No way can a bunch of turtles hold up the > world…it’s obviously Galapagos Tortoises! > M

"I have discovered that I also live in ‘creation’s dawn.’ The morning stars still sing together, and the world, not yet half made, becomes more beautiful every day." About the Design A well known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecutre on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun, and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady in the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told is is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate suppported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You’re very clever young man, very clever," said the old lady. "but it’s turtles all the way down!" – from A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking. http://www.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/pictures/muir_earth_turtl…

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