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You mistakenly give the impression that we have 450 years left before the second coming of the Messiah. He said that not one generation would pass after the end of the gentiles. This could be understood at 1948 when Israel came back into existence in a minute without bloodshed (a prophecy), or in 1967, which occurred with the absolute miracle of the Six-Day War when Israel got the Star in the Crown, Jerusalem. In different parts of the Word, a generation has been referred to as: 40 years, 50 years, 70, 80 and 100 years. So at the earliest it would have been 1948 + 40 = 1988 (Hal Lindsey’s guesstimate). Even if we use the later date of 1967, and even if we say a generation is 100 years, the latest the Messiah would come back is 2067. Personally, my current understanding is Feast of Trumpets about 2017. 1917 was important because of the legal right to create Israel (Balfour Declaration) and 1967 was important because of winning Jerusalem, so 2017 makes sense from the Jubilee Theory. But in any event, we don’t have 450 years left, if you meant to leave that impression. Respectfully, Rebecca — http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Messianic
: : ——- History and World powers: : : : Book of Daniel – Chapter 7: : : "And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. : 4: The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the : wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and : made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it. : 5: And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up : itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between : the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. : 6: After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon : the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and : dominion was given to it. 7: After this I saw in the night visions, and : behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; : and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and : stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all : the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the : horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, : before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the : roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a : mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:3-8) : : : * Babylon -> Medo-Persia -> Greece -> Roman Empire (Divide to Ten : kingdoms , "Papal Rome" rise up among Ten) : : : "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: : and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the : first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25: And he shall speak great : words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most : High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into : his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." (Daniel : 7:24-25) : : : Ten kingdom : : 1. Alemani (Germany), 2. Franks (France), 3. Burgundians (Switzerland), : 4.Suevi (Portugal), 5. Anglo-Saxons (Britain), 6. Visigoths (Spain), 7. : Lombards (Italy), 8. Vandals, 9. Ostrogoths, 10. Heruli : : : Three kingdom destroyed : : Vandals, Ostrogoths, Heruli : : : * change "times" = change "prophecy" (by false prophet) : * change "laws" = change "Ten commandments" : * "time and times and the dividing of time" = "3.5 years" = 1260 : Days/years (538-1798 AD) : : : * These four beasts are the originations of the beast coming out of sea : in Revelation 13 : : : : : " … I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, : holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on : the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." (Rev. 7:1) : : : "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of : the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of : the false prophet. 14: For they are the spirits of devils, working : miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole : world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. : 15: Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth : his garments, … " (Revelation 16:13-15) : : : (maybe the False prophet): : " … lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16: And he gathered : them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." : (Revelation 16:15-16) : : : "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand : thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17: And thus I saw the horses : in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, : and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the : heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and : brimstone. 18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the : fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their : mouths. 19: For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for : their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they : do hurt." (Revelation 9:16-19) : : : *** May be "Armageddon" has been started and related to many battles, : not single event (Wars such as: World War I & II, … ) but it will : finish at the "END". : All these wars were/are to make earthly kingdom of "Human" or "Satan" , : which is against God’s will and his kingdom. : ("that great day of God Almighty" = the day of judgment which God : destroy the other kingdoms and "consume" all of them) : : : "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, : gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and : against his army." (Rev. 19:19) : : : "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for : a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matthew : 24:14) : : : : : "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river : Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the : kings of the east might be prepared." (Rev. 16:12) : : : "And the sixth angel sounded … , Loose the four angels which are : bound in the great river Euphrates. 15: And the four angels were : loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a : year, for to slay the third part of men." (Revelation 9:13-15) : : : "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of : the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to : whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3: Saying, Hurt not : the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the : servants of our God in their foreheads. 4: And I heard the number of : them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and : four thousand … " (Rev. 7:2-4) : : : " … I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of : blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. … And upon her forehead : was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, … " (Rev. 17:3-5) : : : "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth : over the kings of the earth." (Rev. 17:18) : : : "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and : famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the : Lord God who judgeth her. 9: And the kings of the earth, who have : committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, : and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, " : (Rev. 18:8-9) : : : "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it : into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon : be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." (Revelation 18:21) : : : "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and : the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every : free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; : 16: And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from : the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the : Lamb: 17: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able : to stand?" (Rev. 6:15-17) : : : "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn : spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, : and given to the burning flame." (Daniel 7:11) : : : "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought : miracles before him, …. . These both were cast alive into a lake of : fire burning with brimstone." (Revelation 19:19) : : : *** There is not mentioned that "Beast and false prophet" killed by : "him" on "white horse" , but the remnant is so. (see Revelation 19:21) : : : : : "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did : sit, … ." (Daniel 7:9) : : : "Until the Ancient of days came, … and the time came that the saints : possessed the kingdom." (Daniel 7:22) : : : "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a : kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be : left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all : these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." (Daniel 2:44) : : : "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote : the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to : pieces." (Daniel 2:34) : : : "And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also : having a sharp sickle. … , Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the : clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19: : And the angel thrust in his sickle … read more »
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——- History and World powers: Book of Daniel – Chapter 7: "And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4: The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it. 5: And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6: After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:3-8) * Babylon -> Medo-Persia -> Greece -> Roman Empire (Divide to Ten kingdoms , "Papal Rome" rise up among Ten) "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." (Daniel 7:24-25) Ten kingdom : 1. Alemani (Germany), 2. Franks (France), 3. Burgundians (Switzerland), 4.Suevi (Portugal), 5. Anglo-Saxons (Britain), 6. Visigoths (Spain), 7. Lombards (Italy), 8. Vandals, 9. Ostrogoths, 10. Heruli Three kingdom destroyed : Vandals, Ostrogoths, Heruli * change "times" = change "prophecy" (by false prophet) * change "laws" = change "Ten commandments" * "time and times and the dividing of time" = "3.5 years" = 1260 Days/years (538-1798 AD) * These four beasts are the originations of the beast coming out of sea in Revelation 13 " … I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." (Rev. 7:1) "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15: Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, … " (Revelation 16:13-15) (maybe the False prophet): " … lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16: And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." (Revelation 16:15-16) "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17: And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. 19: For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt." (Revelation 9:16-19) *** May be "Armageddon" has been started and related to many battles, not single event (Wars such as: World War I & II, … ) but it will finish at the "END". All these wars were/are to make earthly kingdom of "Human" or "Satan" , which is against God’s will and his kingdom. ("that great day of God Almighty" = the day of judgment which God destroy the other kingdoms and "consume" all of them) "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army." (Rev. 19:19) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14) "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared." (Rev. 16:12) "And the sixth angel sounded … , Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15: And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Revelation 9:13-15) "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3: Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4: And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand … " (Rev. 7:2-4) " … I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. … And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, … " (Rev. 17:3-5) "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." (Rev. 17:18) "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9: And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, " (Rev. 18:8-9) "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." (Revelation 18:21) "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16: And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:15-17) "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame." (Daniel 7:11) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, …. . These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." (Revelation 19:19) *** There is not mentioned that "Beast and false prophet" killed by "him" on "white horse" , but the remnant is so. (see Revelation 19:21) "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, … ." (Daniel 7:9) "Until the Ancient of days came, … and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom." (Daniel 7:22) "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." (Daniel 2:44) "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces." (Daniel 2:34) "And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. … , Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19: And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God." (Revelation 14:17-19) <<< "… and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." (Revelation 19:15) ( "he" that sat on "white horse" ) ——- Period of 450 years : "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time." (Daniel 7:12) << "season and time" = 3*30 + 360 days = 450 days/years >> " … I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:6) " … and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth." (Daniel 2:35) *** To understand what will happen and the situation in the "END" , compare it with the situation of Egyptians and Israelis in Egypt, Sinai desert and entering to "promise land".(It took many years) "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8: And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9: And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10: And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (Revelation 19:7-10) ——- And then "Christ" return with … read more »
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