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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, there are a couple of accidents. All Boeing aircrafts. > Yes all Boeings, except for the Fokker aircraft, and the McDonnell Douglas > aircraft. Remember the Turkish DC10 crash outside Paris? > The latest > accident (5 crew members died while going to S.Arabia to pick up the > pilgrims) is almost the same as Pittsburgh US-air crash. Nobody > responded to Boeing, even US news agencies totally neglected the > similarity between two accidents. However, you shouldn’t fly with every > airline if you look at the statistics. > Nonsense. If you look at the statistics at www.airsafe.com you see that TK have > a  fatal incident rate of 7.3, compared with SK 0.0, OS 0.0, SN 0.0. TK has far > and away the worst fatal incident rate of those airlines listed for Europe, the > next worst being OA at 1.67. > One reason of young Boeing fleet, is the EU response to Turkey. When > they rejected  the membership application, THY suspended Airbus offers > and turned to Boeing and ordered many aircrafts. > So you are saying that THY buys it’s aircraft for reasons of politics, not for > operational or economic reasons. Well that is certainly not new. > — > –==++AJC++==–

The ValuJet DC-9 that had an uncontained engine failure and burned up on the ground at ATL had an engine (the one that failed) overhauled by Turkish Air.  They had plated over a corrosion pitted HPC disk which later failed resultingin a fire that destroyed the aircraft.  No fatalities. -Seth

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No tell me…. these accident stats, are they categorized by pilot error / nature / mechanical etc? Accidents can happen to any airliner at any time. I’m sure you can tell about airlines like Korean or China Airlines, but then again most airlines’ crashes are not frequent. When was the last time since we heard about DL / AC / CP etc crashing? Wait till they do, and they will soemhow be labelled as being unsafe. One flight out of 2 thousand (per day in some cases) does not determine the worthiness of an airline. AMH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thank you for the most rational response from anyone in the group. All others seemed to >counsel me to administer my own last rites….. >I’ve noticed that this flight has departed ORD and arrived pretty much ontime for the last >4 years on a daily basis. Certainly sounds *alarming* to me. ><sarcasm=on>Frankly, I would never consider flying AA, since they had that *problemo* with >that flight out of O-HAIR about 20 years ago. Sheesh. If they can’t be perfect over at >least a thousand years, why would I fly them. <sarcasm=off> >Anyone wishing a risk-free environment should carefully considering not leaving the womb. >It’s bad in there. It gets WORSE once you’re out. >My dad was a WWII pilot, and was lost on his 18th mission. I would have flown his left >seat any day you choose. >Michael

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Politics? Let me say stuff about them politics…. Saudia had almost finalized a deal with airbus Industrie to purchase an all Airbus fleet. From what I heared a few years ago, this decision was aborted as some high US official (Prez?) contacted the the Saudi King (was around the Gulf War months). Saudia then ended up ordering all US aircraft such as the MD 90, B777, B744, MD11F etc. In fact they ordered a large amount of MD90s and 777s (20 something of each type), wonder if they make use of all those!!! AMH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, there are a couple of accidents. All Boeing aircrafts. >Yes all Boeings, except for the Fokker aircraft, and the McDonnell Douglas >aircraft. Remember the Turkish DC10 crash outside Paris? > The latest > accident (5 crew members died while going to S.Arabia to pick up the > pilgrims) is almost the same as Pittsburgh US-air crash. Nobody > responded to Boeing, even US news agencies totally neglected the > similarity between two accidents. However, you shouldn’t fly with every > airline if you look at the statistics. >Nonsense. If you look at the statistics at www.airsafe.com you see that TK have >a  fatal incident rate of 7.3, compared with SK 0.0, OS 0.0, SN 0.0. TK has far >and away the worst fatal incident rate of those airlines listed for Europe, the >next worst being OA at 1.67. > One reason of young Boeing fleet, is the EU response to Turkey. When > they rejected  the membership application, THY suspended Airbus offers > and turned to Boeing and ordered many aircrafts. >So you are saying that THY buys it’s aircraft for reasons of politics, not for >operational or economic reasons. Well that is certainly not new. >– >–==++AJC++==–

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Michael,    I’ve flown it a almost a dozen times from JFK to Istanbul The Pilots are well trained most of them Military F4,F15(possible) pilots.also there are new breed of pilots through commercial aviation training. Thr service is good, thr airlines meet strict FAA conditions and recently passed all the tests I heard. The stewarts are both female and some male good respect and cordiality with customers. since They started the JFK route I havent been able to fly any other because I had bad experinces with both Lufthansa and air france but dont want to generalize it could happen.. I believe you will enjoy turkish hospitality on THY **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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> Yes, there are a couple of accidents. All Boeing aircrafts.

Yes all Boeings, except for the Fokker aircraft, and the McDonnell Douglas aircraft. Remember the Turkish DC10 crash outside Paris? > The latest > accident (5 crew members died while going to S.Arabia to pick up the > pilgrims) is almost the same as Pittsburgh US-air crash. Nobody > responded to Boeing, even US news agencies totally neglected the > similarity between two accidents. However, you shouldn’t fly with every > airline if you look at the statistics.

Nonsense. If you look at the statistics at www.airsafe.com you see that TK have a  fatal incident rate of 7.3, compared with SK 0.0, OS 0.0, SN 0.0. TK has far and away the worst fatal incident rate of those airlines listed for Europe, the next worst being OA at 1.67. > One reason of young Boeing fleet, is the EU response to Turkey. When > they rejected  the membership application, THY suspended Airbus offers > and turned to Boeing and ordered many aircrafts.

So you are saying that THY buys it’s aircraft for reasons of politics, not for operational or economic reasons. Well that is certainly not new. — –==++AJC++==–

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THY forwards: They Hate You THY backwards:  You Hate Them Haven’t flown THY in 15 years but the sayings worked then…

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>  THY has one of the youngest fleet in Europe > especially new B737-800’s.

–Isn’t that because they wrecked all their older planes? I believe they do have the worst safety record in Europe. (Although of course, only a small part of Turkey is geographically in Europe.) –==++AJC++==–

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Yes, there are a couple of accidents. All Boeing aircrafts. The latest accident (5 crew members died while going to S.Arabia to pick up the pilgrims) is almost the same as Pittsburgh US-air crash. Nobody responded to Boeing, even US news agencies totally neglected the similarity between two accidents. However, you shouldn’t fly with every airline if you look at the statistics. One reason of young Boeing fleet, is the EU response to Turkey. When they rejected  the membership application, THY suspended Airbus offers and turned to Boeing and ordered many aircrafts. Geographically Turkey is small in Europe. And the people don’t think themselves as pure European. If you categorize, try Mid-East, EuroAsian whatever. But where are Armenia and Israel and Cyprus? They attend European contests (eg. Eurovision), organizations and rankings. I can’t see them in the Europe map. What determined the boundaries? Religion? I’ll end this. It is not proper for this newsgroup. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  THY has one of the youngest fleet in Europe > especially new B737-800’s. > –Isn’t that because they wrecked all their older planes? I believe they do > have the worst safety record in Europe. (Although of course, only a small part > of Turkey is geographically in Europe.) > –==++AJC++==–

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Thank you for the most rational response from anyone in the group. All others seemed to counsel me to administer my own last rites….. I’ve noticed that this flight has departed ORD and arrived pretty much ontime for the last 4 years on a daily basis. Certainly sounds *alarming* to me. <sarcasm=on>Frankly, I would never consider flying AA, since they had that *problemo* with that flight out of O-HAIR about 20 years ago. Sheesh. If they can’t be perfect over at least a thousand years, why would I fly them. <sarcasm=off> Anyone wishing a risk-free environment should carefully considering not leaving the womb. It’s bad in there. It gets WORSE once you’re out. My dad was a WWII pilot, and was lost on his 18th mission. I would have flown his left seat any day you choose. Michael

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For Turkish Airlines (THY), you don’t have to worry much. It is usually ontime from ORD and from JFK. The aircraft is younger than most of the A340’s you can find. THY has one of the youngest fleet in Europe especially new B737-800’s. The service is nice, much better than you can find in any domestic flight. More food/drink than you can eat. About the flight attendants, I had good and bad experiences with them. It depends on luck, I guess. I suggest you to select your seats in advance, if you don’t want to sit in the middle (2-4-2 configuration), since it is going to be a full plane in the summer time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I are departing July 2 to Istanbul as a part of an Orient Lines > 18-day > Meditteranean cruise/land package. The air selected by the cruise line has us > departing > BNA for ORD via AA, then Turkish Air 1482 to IST. Equipment appears to be an > Airbus > 340-300. We’ll be returning from Barcelona on DL thru ATL bacn to BNA. > The BNA-ORD-IST routing is really the only one that makes sense – most of the > other > options include changes of airport. My question is about Turkish Air, since > I’ve never > seen it discussed in rta. How new and well-maintained is their fleet (I would > imagine it > to be well-maintained), what level of service do they provide, and what > should we expect > in the way of meal service on our cheapy Q-fare tickets? I know – the same as > everyone > else in Economy, but I’m curious. > Michael > –All A340s are relatively new aircraft, as for how well TK maintain them, I > don’t know. Without wishing to put you off, the statistics show them to have > had an appalling safety record, look at www.airsafe.com. They had a series of > accidents in the 70s and 80s (including the Paris DC10 crash), I haven’t heard > of any incidents in more recent times, so perhaps with the modernisation of > their fleet they have also improved other aspects of their operations. > –==++AJC++==–

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> > My wife and I are departing July 2 to Istanbul as a part of an Orient Lines > 18-day > Meditteranean cruise/land package. The air selected by the cruise line has us > departing > BNA for ORD via AA, then Turkish Air 1482 to IST. Equipment appears to be an > Airbus > 340-300. We’ll be returning from Barcelona on DL thru ATL bacn to BNA.

I tried to get a round-trip ticket to Constantinople, but you know what they told me… http://gunther.simplenet.com/v/data/istanbul.htm ARTIST: They Might Be Giants TITLE: Istanbul (Not Constantinople) Istanbul was Constantinople Now it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Now it’s Turkish delight on a moonlit night Every gal in Constantinople Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople So if you’ve got a date in Constantinople She’ll be waiting in Istanbul Even old New York Was once New Amsterdam Why they changed it I can’t say People just liked it better that way So take me back to Constantinople No, you can’t go back to Constantinople Been a long time gone,  Constantinople Why did Constantinople get the works? That’s nobody’s business but the Turks’ Istanbul Sorry, it’s late and I’m getting silly.  Too much coffee.  Yeah, I’m a jerky boy. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I are departing July 2 to Istanbul as a part of an Orient Lines > 18-day > Meditteranean cruise/land package. The air selected by the cruise line has us > departing > BNA for ORD via AA, then Turkish Air 1482 to IST. Equipment appears to be an > Airbus > 340-300. We’ll be returning from Barcelona on DL thru ATL bacn to BNA. > The BNA-ORD-IST routing is really the only one that makes sense – most of the > other > options include changes of airport. My question is about Turkish Air, since > I’ve never > seen it discussed in rta. How new and well-maintained is their fleet (I would > imagine it > to be well-maintained), what level of service do they provide, and what > should we expect > in the way of meal service on our cheapy Q-fare tickets? I know – the same as > everyone > else in Economy, but I’m curious. > Michael

–All A340s are relatively new aircraft, as for how well TK maintain them, I don’t know. Without wishing to put you off, the statistics show them to have had an appalling safety record, look at www.airsafe.com. They had a series of accidents in the 70s and 80s (including the Paris DC10 crash), I haven’t heard of any incidents in more recent times, so perhaps with the modernisation of their fleet they have also improved other aspects of their operations. –==++AJC++==–

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My wife and I are departing July 2 to Istanbul as a part of an Orient Lines 18-day Meditteranean cruise/land package. The air selected by the cruise line has us departing BNA for ORD via AA, then Turkish Air 1482 to IST. Equipment appears to be an Airbus 340-300. We’ll be returning from Barcelona on DL thru ATL bacn to BNA. The BNA-ORD-IST routing is really the only one that makes sense – most of the other options include changes of airport. My question is about Turkish Air, since I’ve never seen it discussed in rta. How new and well-maintained is their fleet (I would imagine it to be well-maintained), what level of service do they provide, and what should we expect in the way of meal service on our cheapy Q-fare tickets? I know – the same as everyone else in Economy, but I’m curious. Michael

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My question is about Turkish Air, since I’ve never seen it discussed in rta. How new and well-maintained is their fleet (I would imagine it to be well-maintained), what level of service do they provide, and what should we expect in the way of meal service on our cheapy Q-fare tickets? I know – the same as everyone else in Economy, but I’m curious. > Michael

I’ve flown THY a few times, but mostly shorter routes (Istanbul-Athens, Frankfurt-Istanbul, etc.).  As I recall, the planes were well maintained, food service was no better or worse than any other carrier.  The only thing that bothered me was that the flight attendant had more hair on her legs than I did (no, wait, I think that was on Olympic…..).

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