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Interview With Tom Bearden (Part 2 of 2)
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>Keywords: international, space, science, ufo, human interest
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>> I don’t see why Tom Bearden, whoever he is, overlooked another >hypothesis — that the brain is actually 14-dimensional, although it >Uh, that’s 15-dimensional. You forgot Charm. :-)
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[Please forgive me for not cross-posting to the original alt. groups, we don't get them here.] Arrrgh. This guy is *worse* than Velikovsky, because he makes fewer concrete claims that will be utterly disproved in the foreseeable future. I’d love to see his math: if it supports his claims, great, but his word pictures as presented here have too many ambiguities and poor logic. "Heaviside examined quaternions later in life, so they must be the right way to view Maxwell’s equations." Gack! > Question: Is there any real proof of the internal energy > channel operation of the mind, or is it just all still a > theory or hypothesis? > The basis can be shown, and it is directly subject to > laboratory test, with a decent laboratory and a little > effort. Let me give you a very strong datum point.
[description of hydrocephaly as proof that the mind exists separate from the brain, or the brain only exists as an interface to the Whittaker structure] As I remember from CT and MRI studies on these individuals (from various science articles and tv specials), these people have a remarkably high activity level in their remaining tissue. The implication is that, like any system with most of the hardware removed, the remaining tissue is operating at a much higher load to provide its function. It’s not a surprise that a system as adaptable and redundant as the brain can function with less mass and/or compressed tissues. Moreover, there are any number of organs in the body that can function with most of their tissue removed: liver, lungs, kidneys, pancreas. What is so surprising about the brain doing it? Is someone surviving with one kidney proof that their soul is separate from their body, too? G-a-a-a-a-h. > Over two decades ago, a Russian scientist, Lisitsyn, > obliquely spoke of Russian breakthroughs in this area. > Lisitsyn stated that the Soviets had "broken the human brain > code." He further stated that some 23 channels were > involved, reaching all the way up to optical frequencies. > However, only 11 of these frequency channels were > independent. He also mentioned that the brain coding did > not number over 44 "digits".
And Lysenko got progeny that reproduced the extra limbs he sewed onto their parents: we haven’t seen any concrete results from *that* research, either. I’m sorry, but this entire interview smells of quackery. The concepts are subtle enough to withstand a cursory examination and there are few obviously bogus statements. They even sound sensible, in that they make no egregious mathematical or physical errors. But there is no *proof* and no *data*, only massaging and re-interpretation of other people’s unrelated work. Remember when Venus turned out to be hotter than expected, and folks hailed it as proof of Velikovsky’s cosmology? Certainly, not all of Mr. Bearden’s interview was within my understanding (quaternions? B-r-r-r-r!). But every part of it that was, broke down under examination. Perhaps the only silliness not present was the quack battle cry, "Galileo was persecuted, too!" > directly engineerable on the lab bench. It’s testable, and > when applied to quantum mechanics, it predicts hordes of new > phenomena and effects, so it certainly gets by the old > "Occam’s razor" saw. When you apply Whittaker’s approach to > directly show that. They also show how to engineer all this > on the laboratory bench. So the Whittaker scalar EM > approach is testable, which meets the major criterion for > the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. Any
Then do it, clearly and unequivocally, not as a #$ thought experiment. Better yet, name two effects and describe precisely how to measure them unequivocally, do it, publish your paper, and get your Nobel prize. Yes, people have the right to express themselves on the net, in whatever groups they consider vaguely appropriate. Nevertheless, this particular subject strikes me as fodder for alt.religion.ufo and /dev/null, not as appropriate for salsmanning to sci.electronics or sci.physics. — Nico Garcia CIRL/MEEI
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>>Question: Is there any real proof of the internal energy >channel operation of the mind, or is it just all still a >theory or hypothesis?
How about some more bunk? Bunk is always more fun than fax are.
>There exists a rare, completely bafflingly medical
Rare, yes. Completely baffling? Hardly. There are several recognized causes and several distinct forms. >phenomenon __ which has until recently been concealed __
Concealed? Only by the cranium. Hydrocephalus has been discussed "in the literature" (or at least "in the literature that I find on my desk–and I’m in the integrated-circuit biz not a licensed neurologist") for decades, which is about as long as anyone’s had the paradigm to research it. [...] >Now obviously hydrancephaly proves rather conclusively that >it isn’t really the brain matter or the electrical wiggles >in the two hemispheres that constitute the mind. Those >The other day I asked Jerome Lettvin what he thought about those cases >– actually, it’s called hydrocephalus — in which a person seems to >have very little cerebral cortex, yet is not hopelessly retarded. His
Moreover, I seem to recall something where the fetal form of hydrocephalus is correlated with _above average_ intelligence; even genius intelligence, in a number of cases. (I think there was a Nova on this…) >theory: > 1. these are cases in which the fluid pressure in the brain is very >high. (Like Glaucoma — usually because the secretion is normal but >the drainage mechanism is disabled.) > 2. Like many other non-fatty tissues, the brain is mostly water. > 3. Most of the water gets squeezed out.
This one (3) isn’t usually the case in fetuses. See 6. > 4. But most of the cells may continue to work, despite the >great enlargement of the ventricles (the inner fluid chambers). > 5. (My addition) Also notice that the interior (white matter) as >well as the cortex gets pushed further to the periphery. Then in >addition to the "dried fruit" compression effect, there is also the >square-cubed law. The X-rays and CAT scans show only a thin layer of >brain next to the skull. But consider that the volume of the >outermost 1/5 of the radius is about equal to the entire volume of the >inner 4/5ths, radially! (Because 125 – 64 = 61.) SO the X-ray image >would appear to show far less tissue than is actually there, at least >to most adults who have no conception of how much volume is near the >surface of a 3-D object.
6. When hydrocephalus happens to a fetus, the cranium is also enlarged (because it is not fused bone it is free to expand). Thus the volume of the remaining cellular regions is decreased less than when hydrocephalus happens to an adult. Also, the pressure of the cerebro-spinal fluid in the fetus doesn’t increase to damaging levels, again because the cranium is not of constant volume. Thus there is not as much loss or damage of neural or vascular tissue as one would expect from a cursory pass at the idea that only half the brain chamber is filled with brain. One of hydrocephalus’ visible characteristics is an enlarged cranium. > I don’t see why Tom Bearden, whoever he is, overlooked another >hypothesis — that the brain is actually 14-dimensional, although it
Uh, that’s 15-dimensional. You forgot Charm. :-) –Blair "Or maybe it was ‘14-sided…’" Bibliography: _Principles of Neural Science_, edited by Eric R. Kandel and James H. Schwartz. It’s published by Elsevier, and is probably in a different edition by now (I have the 2d.).
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>I may be mistaking this for another condition but as I recall >a couple of months ago a girl with hydrancephaly was born in Florida. >Her parents wanted her disassembled into "spare parts" for transplants
Yes, you are mistaken: that unfortunate creature had ANancephaly, or essentially no brain at all (actually, no head above the level of her eyes). Whatever weirdness accounts for the normalcy of some hydracephalics does not apply to anancephalics, who never have any detectable human conciousness.
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>Keywords: international, space, science, ufo, human interest > BEIJING (UPI) — Chinese scientists are huddling this week to explore >the latest mysteries of unidentified flying objects, from reports of >sightings and abductions to claims that Chinese mystics are in contact >with life on other planets.
Excellent article… Keep on sending those. Have you explored, and are you considering the contacts to ETI made by Lamas in Tibetan lamazeries, too ? Yves
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>I may be mistaking this for another condition but as I recall >a couple of months ago a girl with hydrancephaly was born in Florida.
Her condition was microencephaly. There was much debate about the relative degrees of that condition. A more severe condition called anencephaly also occurs. It is not possible to mistake victims of these conditions for “normal” infants. That is why the news video of the Florida chile always had her head covered to below the eyes. >I don’t know what the post-facto court decision is (will be?).
There will not be one, unless one is required as part of some other case. Courts do not rule on moot points. It can be argued that this is a defect in our legal system. — Steve Nuchia South Coast Computing Services, Inc. (713) 661-3301
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Keywords: international, space, science, ufo, human interest BEIJING (UPI) — Chinese scientists are huddling this week to explore the latest mysteries of unidentified flying objects, from reports of sightings and abductions to claims that Chinese mystics are in contact with life on other planets. The nearly 200 researchers from around the country are meeting in Beijing at a conference sponsored by the China UFO Research Society, the national organization that coordinates studies in China of “fei die,” which in Chinese means “flying saucer.” The society, known by its English acronym CURO, is engaged in research that spans the gamut from cold science to the weird and wacky, including efforts to speak to outer space without all the high-tech gadgetry employed by Western researchers. “One of our important missions is to establish a way for people on Earth to communicate with other planets without resorting to modern communications methods,” said Wang Changting, the research society’s affable director. Nearly 5,000 UFO-type sightings have been reported in China since the late 1970s, with all but around 200 later discounted as natural or man- made objects such as weather phenonema and aircraft. The unsolved cases include sightings of floating basketballs, orange- lit washbasins and flying straw hats. Around 40 of those are the “close encounters” variety, with reports of contact or kidnappings by vaguely described extraterrestrials. In one case, a teacher in eastern Tianjin reported seeing a shimmering ball overhead as he bicycled around a park at night. He lost consciousness and awoke the next morning at the park gate to find the time on his watch an hour behind the actual time. A month later, he suddenly recalled having been abducted onto a strange craft by two short beings in unidentifiable space suits. Along with those reports, and research into related topics like atmospheric phenomena, some of the 3,500 CURO members nationwide are studying claims by Chinese mystics that they can locate UFOs or communicate with aliens. Some claim to use “qigong,” a practice that marshals the Chinese concept of life energy, to make contact. Although qigong is an accepted exercise discipline, adherents also make fantastic claims of supernatural powers or faith healing ability. “Sometimes we cannot mix Western reality and Oriental belief,” shrugged Wang. “Of course there are some illogical things involved, but the line between science and mysticism cannot be separated only as illogic.” Among other areas of research are theoretical and practical studies of space flight, the possibility of life on other planets and the potential impact of UFOs on the Earth’s environment. UFO research is taken seriously in China. Several years ago, a UFO sighting over an open air film show in rural south China sparked a stampede by panicked villagers that left two people dead and 300 injured. The Chinese military, which sometimes scrambles air force jets to try to catch a glimpse of UFOs, conducts its own UFO studies and maintains contact with CURO researchers, Wang said. But not even scientists are immune to the more outlandish aspects of UFOs, he added, noting a report by a CURO researcher who claimed he had been “invited” aboard a space craft and taken to a planet thousands of light years away. “This man was a scientist, so we don’t believe that what he told us is altogether nonsense,” Wang said. “But we can’t explain it.”
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|> >There exists a rare, completely bafflingly medical |> >phenomenon __ which has until recently been concealed __ |> >called hydrancephaly. To the normal materialistic Western |> >biologist, this condition is astonishing, to say the least. |> >In hydrancephaly, a person’s cranial cavity is filled almost |> >totally with fluid, not with brain matter. There may be |> >only 5% or so of the brain in there; typically just the |> >small portion on the tip of the spine. The other 95% of the |> >brain case is filled with fluid. Yet the individual may be |> >as normal as you or I. |> |> I may be mistaking this for another condition but as I recall |> a couple of months ago a girl with hydrancephaly was born in Florida. |> Her parents wanted her disassembled into "spare parts" for transplants |> before her body died. They had to go through the courts to get the |> pernmission and the courts stalled long enough for the girl to die. |> I don’t know what the post-facto court decision is (will be?). |> |> At the time of the story being big in the nationwide media, the incidents |> hydrancephaly were discussed and there was no indication of either a |> past "concealment" of it or of a hydrancephalic infant being able to |> survive very long after being born. |> |> — |> "… i heard the droning / in the shrine |> of the sea-monkey / palace of the brine …" — Pixies. |> VERITAS Software …!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg Warning: I am not a doctor, and I don’t even play one on TV. You are discussing 2 different medical conditions. I understand the basics of both, but can’t remember what they are called. One is where a baby is born without the majority of it’s brain. The babies cannot survive. The other is where a baby is born normally, but a "valve" in the brain that drains off spinal fluid is clogged. The fluid builds up in "cavities" in the brain squeezing the brain tissue until it takes up as little as 5% of the volume of the "brain box" (I said I wasn’t a doctor didn’t I
These children used to die eventually, but a shunt was developed to drain the fluid. Survivors from the 60’s (or 70’s?) who have now had MRI (NMR?) imaging show that they have a small percentage of the brain matter (by volume?) normally found, but their intelligence has not been affected. I saw a British TV show that documented the second phenomenon, I believe that it was called something like "Is your Brain Really Necessary?". I got the impression that although the brains of these people had been compressed to a small percentage of their normal volume, they still maintained the compexity necessary to function. Another advantage was that the problem showed up in very young, growing children who’s brains had the capability of adapting and "rewiring" (which an adult would not be capable of.) I think the term is "plasticity". Sorry if I made any serious blunders. Leonard. — | Leonard E. Spani | //!? | (disclaimer-p) |
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Question: Is there any real proof of the internal energy >channel operation of the mind, or is it just all still a >theory or hypothesis? >The basis can be shown, and it is directly subject to >laboratory test, with a decent laboratory and a little >effort. Let me give you a very strong datum point. >There exists a rare, completely bafflingly medical >phenomenon __ which has until recently been concealed __ >called hydrancephaly. To the normal materialistic Western >biologist, this condition is astonishing, to say the least. >In hydrancephaly, a person’s cranial cavity is filled almost >totally with fluid, not with brain matter. There may be >only 5% or so of the brain in there; typically just the >small portion on the tip of the spine. The other 95% of the >brain case is filled with fluid. Yet the individual may be >as normal as you or I. Except, of course, that x-rays of >his head will astonish all the doctors. A few years ago, >for example, such a hydrancephalic individual graduated from >a university in Great Britain, with a degree in mathematics. >British news actually made a video documentary on this >subject, and particularly on that individual. >Now obviously hydrancephaly proves rather conclusively that >it isn’t really the brain matter or the electrical wiggles >in the two hemispheres that constitute the mind. Those
[Etc.]> The other day I asked Jerome Lettvin what he thought about those cases — actually, it’s called hydrocephalus — in which a person seems to have very little cerebral cortex, yet is not hopelessly retarded. His theory: 1. these are cases in which the fluid pressure in the brain is very high. (Like Glaucoma — usually because the secretion is normal but the drainage mechanism is disabled.) 2. Like many other non-fatty tissues, the brain is mostly water. 3. Most of the water gets squeezed out. 4. But most of the cells may continue to work, despite the great enlargement of the ventricles (the inner fluid chambers). 5. (My addition) Also notice that the interior (white matter) as well as the cortex gets pushed further to the periphery. Then in addition to the "dried fruit" compression effect, there is also the square-cubed law. The X-rays and CAT scans show only a thin layer of brain next to the skull. But consider that the volume of the outermost 1/5 of the radius is about equal to the entire volume of the inner 4/5ths, radially! (Because 125 – 64 = 61.) SO the X-ray image would appear to show far less tissue than is actually there, at least to most adults who have no conception of how much volume is near the surface of a 3-D object. I don’t see why Tom Bearden, whoever he is, overlooked another hypothesis — that the brain is actually 14-dimensional, although it can only perceive three of those dimensions, the other 11 being presumably occupied with other matters that he could surely explain. Then, if you squeeze it to half its linear dimension, well, I can’t figure it out right now, but a factor of 2,048 would be available to explain lots of other amazing phenomena (-;
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>There exists a rare, completely bafflingly medical >phenomenon __ which has until recently been concealed __ >called hydrancephaly. To the normal materialistic Western >biologist, this condition is astonishing, to say the least. >In hydrancephaly, a person’s cranial cavity is filled almost >totally with fluid, not with brain matter. There may be >only 5% or so of the brain in there; typically just the >small portion on the tip of the spine. The other 95% of the >brain case is filled with fluid. Yet the individual may be >as normal as you or I.
I may be mistaking this for another condition but as I recall a couple of months ago a girl with hydrancephaly was born in Florida. Her parents wanted her disassembled into "spare parts" for transplants before her body died. They had to go through the courts to get the pernmission and the courts stalled long enough for the girl to die. I don’t know what the post-facto court decision is (will be?). At the time of the story being big in the nationwide media, the incidents hydrancephaly were discussed and there was no indication of either a past "concealment" of it or of a hydrancephalic infant being able to survive very long after being born. — "… i heard the droning / in the shrine of the sea-monkey / palace of the brine …" — Pixies. VERITAS Software …!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
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Question: Is there any real proof of the internal energy channel operation of the mind, or is it just all still a theory or hypothesis? The basis can be shown, and it is directly subject to laboratory test, with a decent laboratory and a little effort. Let me give you a very strong datum point. There exists a rare, completely bafflingly medical phenomenon __ which has until recently been concealed __ called hydrancephaly. To the normal materialistic Western biologist, this condition is astonishing, to say the least. In hydrancephaly, a person’s cranial cavity is filled almost totally with fluid, not with brain matter. There may be only 5% or so of the brain in there; typically just the small portion on the tip of the spine. The other 95% of the brain case is filled with fluid. Yet the individual may be as normal as you or I. Except, of course, that x-rays of his head will astonish all the doctors. A few years ago, for example, such a hydrancephalic individual graduated from a university in Great Britain, with a degree in mathematics. British news actually made a video documentary on this subject, and particularly on that individual. Now obviously hydrancephaly proves rather conclusively that it isn’t really the brain matter or the electrical wiggles in the two hemispheres that constitute the mind. Those wiggles normally are correlated with, and communicate back and forth with, the internal Whittaker dynamics of the bio- potential. The brain is a special communications and processing station, interfacing sensors and processed stuff from the external world to the Whittaker-sets, and outputs from the Whittaker-sets to the body and cells. If just a small functioning part of this "way station" remains fully functional, the interfacing still exists. Question: Can you shed any light on the functioning of the fluid that fills 95% of the brain cavity of a hydrancephalic? Perhaps a little bit. There’s an interesting thing about fluid __ about water. The hydrogen bonding structure of water is enormously complex and richly varying. Bond- structuring of water constitutes a special kind of "neo- Whittaker" substructure inside a special kind of potential for that particular body of water. A glass of water, for example, has an overall neo-potential comprised of its hydrogen bond structuring. That water will change its internal bonding structure if you enter the room, or if you blink your eye while observing it. It continually adjusts to everything in its surroundings. The reason is, everything in its environment has charges, and clumps or orderings or structures of potential. And the internal Whittaker structures of all those potentials overlap because the potentials overlap. Therefore the internal bidirectional Whittaker EM waves intercommute. The internal dynamics of the water receives inputs from the surroundings this way, and the water’s bonding structure changes accordingly. We’ve only known the complexity and richness of this water structuring for less than two decades, and so far as I know, no one else seems to be considering the Whittaker infolded EM wave structure aspects of it. The point is this: In the fluid inside the head of a functional hydrancephalic, the water structuring is quite sufficient to provide the rest of the needed "way-station two-way tuner, processor, and transmitter-receiver." The reason is quite simple: The potential of the fluid constitutes a partial potential in the overall bio-potential of the body. It’s like the pressure of a mixture of gases: the overall pressure consists of the partial pressures of the component gases. The Whittaker structures ensure intermingling and intercommunication through the internal energy channels of the total bio-potential to all its constituents. Therefore the water structuring of the fluid in the head of the hydrancephalic serves __ bridgewise __ as a substitute brain. Other supporting evidence, of course, is that quantum mechanics experiments have essentially established action- at-a-distance and quantum correlation. The quantum potential, therefore, is something real and functional after all. And even more evidence is provided by the nature of a linear material versus the nature of a nonlinear material. However, that would take a book, and is just too much to cover in this interview. Suffice it to say that a strong argument can be made from the nonlinear characteristics and phenomena themselves, such as production of time-reversed waves, amplification of time-reversed waves, negentropy (re-ordering of scattering energy), etc. The bottom line is that there’s certainly enough evidence to substantially support these hypotheses, and move them from the realm of idle speculation to the realm of "worthy for further experimentation and development." The ultimate proof, of course, will be when one demonstrates the actual production, recording, and functioning of a living mind. With the internal energy approach, that is hypothetically quite possible, and will eventually be lab-demonstrated. Question: How is this related to the neurons, synapses, and dendrite firings in the normal human brain? The same "internal electrical structure" thing is true of the brain and its dendrite firings, EM waves, and tiny but extremely numerous currents and fields. Take an instantaneous snapshot of all the dendrite firings __ billions of them __ frozen for an instant. The actual pattern or structure represents the internal state of the brain’s bio-potential at that instant. Take another snapshot a moment later. The change of the internal structuring represents the brain’s internal structuring at a new moment. Interfering (subtracting) the two snapshots provides a delta that represents the exact and total change that occurred in the brain-state during that tiny interval between snapshot one and snapshot two. But since thought itself is a change in internal brain-state, then the thought patterns during that interval must be contained in those changes. And of course a myriad of other brain control actions are in there as well. Commands to beat the heart, direct biochemistry of cells, etc. To detect the internal state precisely, one now needs to decompose that delta pattern into its Whittaker-structure components and sort them all out. Question: How would one go about detecting the internal state, to get at the actual thoughts themselves? Well, one has rather much got involved with the standard chaos problem. You’ve got hidden order (the thoughts) buried up in a lot of extraneous material. In other words, you’re looking at something statistical, and it’s got several kinds of hidden order hidden in there in what to you appears to be a whole lot of noise. So you do something very similar to what we described in the snapshot analogy, but apply Whittaker-channel detection at the same time. Actually, a first step in this direction has been beautifully done by Dr. Hunt. She divided the external brain-wave region into several frequency bands. (Actually, harmonic intervals are best, per Whittaker theory.) She set up individual detectors for all the frequency channels simultaneously. Then she divided each of these channels in two branches: one branch straight through without a time delay, and the other delayed by a bit, say, 6 milliseconds or so. Then she mixed all the delay channels onto all the nondelay channels, and recorded the superposition. And lo and behold, she got beautiful traces of hidden chaos in brain wave activity. The traces exhibited the standard chaos attractors. Her magnificent work is very strong evidence that the real activity of the mind occurs in hidden variables, in hidden channels inside the normal "envelope/external electromagnetics" represented by normal brain wave measurements. Hunt has shown that there is a hidden, deterministic, dynamic order "inside" the normal statistical EM brain activity. Over two decades ago, a Russian scientist, Lisitsyn, obliquely spoke of Russian breakthroughs in this area. Lisitsyn stated that the Soviets had "broken the human brain code." He further stated that some 23 channels were involved, reaching all the way up to optical frequencies. However, only 11 of these frequency channels were independent. He also mentioned that the brain coding did not number over 44 "digits". Now I interpret his remarks as indicative of direct application of Whittaker theory. Lisitsyn of course did not give the details; that’s highly classified in the Soviet Union, as witnessed by the Petukov/Toth incident in Moscow. However, I interpret Lisitsyn as having obliquely referred to 11 independent Whittaker frequencies __ the fundamental frequency and 10 harmonics __ that are used by the brain workstation to intercommunicate between the mind and the external electrical/physical functioning of the organism. I interpret the remark about 44 digits to probably mean that there are some 44 different independent Whittaker spectrum sets, where each spectrum consists of the fundamental and 10 harmonics. And in each frequency channel of a set, there are two bidirectional EM waves __ actually, an EM wave and its time-reversed antiwave (phase conjugate replica). Question: Can you tell us something more about detection of standing scalar EM potential waves? For fundamental … read more »
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