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> So you’re an Australian?? That’s nothing to be ashamed of. We’ve had > at least on other Australian regular here — so why try to conceal > that fact? BTW — the Americanized spelling of "programmes" is > "programs".

Do you think I’d be posting under the handle of "Euro" if I were Australian? Well, anyway, think what you want, it doesn’t matter much. Euro —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= East/West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>It’s no secret where I live, or most of those who post in this news >>group.  Where do you live? I don’t mean your address — just a >>country, or if you are in the United States, a region of the country. >>It would help me to understand exactly whose axe you are grinding. >>Jeff >I am not especially grinding an axe. Just expressing my profound >conviction that Bush made a deep mistake by invading Iraq, and that, in >the context of the crisis emerging now with Iran, this mistake keeps >having bad effects since it disqualifies now any military action against >Iran (who would believe it possible with the US caught in a quagmire in >Iraq?) since diplomacy seems to give no result. >Now, replying directly to your question: I am European, and usually I >post from Tokyo, Japan, where I happen to be working and living. Right >under the threat of North Korea, whose regime is _presently_ starving >its population (different from "gassed its population fifteen years >ago") and whose missiles represent a much more dangerous threat to peace >and of proliferation than Iraq’s. >Iraq’s invasion gave a good lesson to the world’s various leaders who >are on the US list of feuds: it taught them that they had rather get >destructive weapons in order to prevent themselves from being invaded. >From Kim Jong-Il to the mollahs in Iran or Chavez, the lessons has been >well learned, believe me. >Euro > I would have thought that WWII would have taught an equally important > lesson to Europeans. Far better to deal with dangerous tyrants like > Hitler and Mussolini before they have an opportunity to get their > ducks in a row. The surrender monkeys of Europe seem to find it much > easier to thumb their noses at the United States than actually take a > hand in dealing with the world’s problems.

I find it quite funny to hear you talk like that. Europe has no military autonomy, mainly because of NATO, and each time someone in Europe (usually a French head of State) mentions anything about trying to give Europe some autonomy, that person receives sustained fire from exactly the same ones who criticize Europe for being passive afterwards. If history should teach something, it is that one eventually always sows what one has reaped, and that is true also for the United States. You’d be much more credible if you lloked at it this way, because when it comes with dealing with "dangerous tyrants", it seems to me that the way the United States has dealt with North Korea is not exactly a model to reproduce. Euro —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= East/West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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> What if the US just lets Europe or the EU handle the Iran situation? > They are the ones within range of Iran’s nuclear weapons, not the US. > Of course, the same could be said about North Korea.  Let China and > Japan worry. > Notice, I am not advocation anything.  Just asking questions.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What if the US just lets Europe or the EU handle the Iran situation? >They are the ones within range of Iran’s nuclear weapons, not the US. >Of course, the same could be said about North Korea.  Let China and >Japan worry. >Notice, I am not advocation anything.  Just asking questions. > Interesting you should ask that, Connie. > Why then did Bush invade Iraq which had no nuclear weapons > at all?  What danger did Iraq present to the U.S.? > Have you  come around to agreeing with us liberals on the > war with Iraq? > Once you begin asking questions, interesting where it leads, > isn’t it?

I guess you have no interest in other countries handling the situations in Iran or North Korea.

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What if the US just lets Europe or the EU handle the Iran situation? They are the ones within range of Iran’s nuclear weapons, not the US. Of course, the same could be said about North Korea.  Let China and Japan worry. Notice, I am not advocation anything.  Just asking questions.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>>It’s no secret where I live, or most of those who post in this news >>>>>group.  Where do you live? I don’t mean your address — just a >>>>>country, or if you are in the United States, a region of the country. >>>>>It would help me to understand exactly whose axe you are grinding. >>>>>Jeff >>>>I am not especially grinding an axe. Just expressing my profound >>>>conviction that Bush made a deep mistake by invading Iraq, and that, >>>>in the context of the crisis emerging now with Iran, this mistake >>>>keeps having bad effects since it disqualifies now any military >>>>action against Iran (who would believe it possible with the US caught >>>>in a quagmire in Iraq?) since diplomacy seems to give no result. >>>>Now, replying directly to your question: I am European, and usually I >>>>post from Tokyo, Japan, where I happen to be working and living. >>>>Right under the threat of North Korea, whose regime is _presently_ >>>>starving its population (different from "gassed its population >>>>fifteen years ago") and whose missiles represent a much more >>>>dangerous threat to peace and of proliferation than Iraq’s. >>>>Iraq’s invasion gave a good lesson to the world’s various leaders who >>>>are on the US list of feuds: it taught them that they had rather get >>>>destructive weapons in order to prevent themselves from being >>>>invaded. From Kim Jong-Il to the mollahs in Iran or Chavez, the >>>>lessons has been well learned, believe me. >>>>Euro >>>I would have thought that WWII would have taught an equally important >>>lesson to Europeans. Far better to deal with dangerous tyrants like >>>Hitler and Mussolini before they have an opportunity to get their >>>ducks in a row. The surrender monkeys of Europe seem to find it much >>>easier to thumb their noses at the United States than actually take a >>>hand in dealing with the world’s problems. >>I find it quite funny to hear you talk like that. Europe has no military >>autonomy, mainly because of NATO, and each time someone in Europe >>(usually a French head of State) mentions anything about trying to give >>Europe some autonomy, that person receives sustained fire from exactly >>the same ones who criticize Europe for being passive afterwards. >I agree, they are a bunch of wimps. > They are being kept under dependence by the US. The French, vowing to > release that dependence, being heavily bashed by hypocrites of your likes > for doing so.

 > Good description of a baby that never leaves it’s mother’s tit. Suck the tit or I’ll give you a spanking. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>If history should teach something, it is that one eventually always sows >>what one has reaped, and that is true also for the United States. You’d >>be much more credible if you lloked at it this way, because when it >>comes with dealing with "dangerous tyrants", it seems to me that the way >>the United States has dealt with North Korea is not exactly a model to >>reproduce. >What has the wimps done about that "dangerous tyrant", North Korea or any > other >"dangerous tyrant" for that matter? > The "wimps" would act if the US set them free,

Give the "wimps" another baby bottle!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>> It’s no secret where I live, or most of those who post in this news >>>> group.  Where do you live? I don’t mean your address — just a >>>> country, or if you are in the United States, a region of the country. >>>> It would help me to understand exactly whose axe you are grinding. >>>> Jeff >>> I am not especially grinding an axe. Just expressing my profound >>> conviction that Bush made a deep mistake by invading Iraq, and that, >>> in the context of the crisis emerging now with Iran, this mistake >>> keeps having bad effects since it disqualifies now any military >>> action against Iran (who would believe it possible with the US caught >>> in a quagmire in Iraq?) since diplomacy seems to give no result. >>> Now, replying directly to your question: I am European, and usually I >>> post from Tokyo, Japan, where I happen to be working and living. >>> Right under the threat of North Korea, whose regime is _presently_ >>> starving its population (different from "gassed its population >>> fifteen years ago") and whose missiles represent a much more >>> dangerous threat to peace and of proliferation than Iraq’s. >>> Iraq’s invasion gave a good lesson to the world’s various leaders who >>> are on the US list of feuds: it taught them that they had rather get >>> destructive weapons in order to prevent themselves from being >>> invaded. From Kim Jong-Il to the mollahs in Iran or Chavez, the >>> lessons has been well learned, believe me. >>> Euro >> I would have thought that WWII would have taught an equally important >> lesson to Europeans. Far better to deal with dangerous tyrants like >> Hitler and Mussolini before they have an opportunity to get their >> ducks in a row. The surrender monkeys of Europe seem to find it much >> easier to thumb their noses at the United States than actually take a >> hand in dealing with the world’s problems. > I find it quite funny to hear you talk like that. Europe has no military > autonomy, mainly because of NATO, and each time someone in Europe > (usually a French head of State) mentions anything about trying to give > Europe some autonomy, that person receives sustained fire from exactly > the same ones who criticize Europe for being passive afterwards. > I agree, they are a bunch of wimps.

They are being kept under dependence by the US. The French, vowing to release that dependence, being heavily bashed by hypocrites of your likes for doing so. > If history should teach something, it is that one eventually always sows > what one has reaped, and that is true also for the United States. You’d > be much more credible if you lloked at it this way, because when it > comes with dealing with "dangerous tyrants", it seems to me that the way > the United States has dealt with North Korea is not exactly a model to > reproduce. > What has the wimps done about that "dangerous tyrant", North Korea or any other > "dangerous tyrant" for that matter?

The "wimps" would act if the US set them free, but the problem is that they might not have ideas by themselves and act in a way that is not wished in Washington. It is therefore much better to keep an army of vassals who would whatsoever only be able to say "yes, sir!" when the US orders them to go to Baghdad because of a presupposed danger. Meanwhile, we shall be dazzled by the incompetence of a Bush administration claiming (Statement by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice) : "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Source: Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, CNN (9/8/2002) about Iraq while, as one would put it: "It was Iran, imbecile". Euro —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Take your childish crap back to alt.activism.death-penalty.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  > BTW — I’m interested to hear that you are "European", but I still >> sense you are concealing something. You must be a citizen of some >> country? Ashamed to admit which one? And why are you posting in a >> retirement news group? Are you retired, or do you just enjoy beating >> up on Americans? >> Jeff > I am not retired. I think I said it already, by the way. I am in my 20s, > from Europe (it matters few to know from which country, not for me, and > I guess it would matter for you only if you want to engage into country > bashing). > With this, I hope I have been clear enough. > Yes! It is clear, you are here to engage in country bashing.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#hominem Hope this helps. Euro —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Equated apples with oranges, once again. > Jeff > "The moonbats bark thrice at midnight."

This argument is going nowhere without a schedule and information backing up the forecast.  When exactly is Iran scheduled to invade the United States?  When was Iraq schedule to invade the United States.  We need this to give credibility to your Iran schedule.  If by chance you aren’t expecting an invasion in the next thousand or so years, perhaps you shouldn’t compare Hitler’s 1930’s aggression with the current situation. — Glenn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> It’s no secret where I live, or most of those who post in this news >>> group.  Where do you live? I don’t mean your address — just a >>> country, or if you are in the United States, a region of the country. >>> It would help me to understand exactly whose axe you are grinding. >>> Jeff >> I am not especially grinding an axe. Just expressing my profound >> conviction that Bush made a deep mistake by invading Iraq, and that, >> in the context of the crisis emerging now with Iran, this mistake >> keeps having bad effects since it disqualifies now any military >> action against Iran (who would believe it possible with the US caught >> in a quagmire in Iraq?) since diplomacy seems to give no result. >> Now, replying directly to your question: I am European, and usually I >> post from Tokyo, Japan, where I happen to be working and living. >> Right under the threat of North Korea, whose regime is _presently_ >> starving its population (different from "gassed its population >> fifteen years ago") and whose missiles represent a much more >> dangerous threat to peace and of proliferation than Iraq’s. >> Iraq’s invasion gave a good lesson to the world’s various leaders who >> are on the US list of feuds: it taught them that they had rather get >> destructive weapons in order to prevent themselves from being >> invaded. From Kim Jong-Il to the mollahs in Iran or Chavez, the >> lessons has been well learned, believe me. >> Euro > I would have thought that WWII would have taught an equally important > lesson to Europeans. Far better to deal with dangerous tyrants like > Hitler and Mussolini before they have an opportunity to get their > ducks in a row. The surrender monkeys of Europe seem to find it much > easier to thumb their noses at the United States than actually take a > hand in dealing with the world’s problems. > I find it quite funny to hear you talk like that. Europe has no military > autonomy, mainly because of NATO, and each time someone in Europe > (usually a French head of State) mentions anything about trying to give > Europe some autonomy, that person receives sustained fire from exactly > the same ones who criticize Europe for being passive afterwards.

I agree, they are a bunch of wimps. > If history should teach something, it is that one eventually always sows > what one has reaped, and that is true also for the United States. You’d > be much more credible if you lloked at it this way, because when it > comes with dealing with "dangerous tyrants", it seems to me that the way > the United States has dealt with North Korea is not exactly a model to > reproduce.

What has the wimps done about that "dangerous tyrant", North Korea or any other "dangerous tyrant" for that matter?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >  > BTW — I’m interested to hear that you are "European", but I still > sense you are concealing something. You must be a citizen of some > country? Ashamed to admit which one? And why are you posting in a > retirement news group? Are you retired, or do you just enjoy beating > up on Americans? > Jeff > I am not retired. I think I said it already, by the way. I am in my 20s, > from Europe (it matters few to know from which country, not for me, and > I guess it would matter for you only if you want to engage into country > bashing). > With this, I hope I have been clear enough.

Yes! It is clear, you are here to engage in country bashing.

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  > BTW — I’m interested to hear that you are "European", but I still > sense you are concealing something. You must be a citizen of some > country? Ashamed to admit which one? And why are you posting in a > retirement news group? Are you retired, or do you just enjoy beating > up on Americans? > Jeff

I am not retired. I think I said it already, by the way. I am in my 20s, from Europe (it matters few to know from which country, not for me, and I guess it would matter for you only if you want to engage into country bashing). I came to post here originally because a few weeks ago, someone from this group came on alt.activism.death-penalty to settle his accounts with another person who used to post here but now is posting there. That led me to read what was being posted on this group. Now, I am not the one launching the topics of discussion on soc.retirement.  If this group remained on topic and discussed only matters relative to retirement, I would most certainly stop posting here. But since there are threads here on international policies, I consider it legitimate for me to post here, whatever you may think. The possibility for you to read opinions that are not American (thus not opinions of a Democrat or of a "liberal", whatever the sense you give to these expressions) is certainly a good refreshment for you and many others, and the fact that it seems to upset some persons here won’t make me stop. With this, I hope I have been clear enough. Euro —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= East/West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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> Where’s the urgency, North Korea’s status has not changed from what it > was in 2002.

Where was the urgency with Iraq, since its status had not changed since 1991? > Oh! By the way if there was such an urgency in 2002 to do something > about North Korea, what was your country down under doing?

More than yours, I’m afraid. Euro —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= East/West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>      After the attack on the United States on September 11, 2001, >>> President Bush >>>> dubbed Iraq, North Korea, and Iran the