Evangelical leader says he bought meth By CATHERINE TSAI (Associated Press) The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the man. Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for himself from the man. But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and three of his five children. Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to him. "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web sites. In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether the alleged drug deal was under investigation. Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical leader on television. Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that Haggard in public condemned gay sex. Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court nominees. James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and colleague.

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Anyone care to guess what the illegal sex version of "I didn’t inhale" could be?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Evangelical leader says he bought meth > By CATHERINE TSAI > (Associated Press) > The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and > received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian > evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the > man. > Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals > wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and > homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones > claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. > On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after > being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for > himself from the man. > But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I > was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told > reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and > three of his five children. > Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. > Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." > Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to > him. > "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had > advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web > sites. > In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million > members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life > Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this > week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m > steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." > In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, > police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether > the alleged drug deal was under investigation. > Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years > until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said > that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical > leader on television. > Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has > supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state > constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that > Haggard in public condemned gay sex. > Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated > in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House > staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court > nominees. > James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative > Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" > over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and > colleague.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Evangelical leader says he bought meth > By CATHERINE TSAI > (Associated Press) > The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and > received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian > evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the > man. > Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals > wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and > homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones > claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. > On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after > being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for > himself from the man. > But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I > was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told > reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and > three of his five children. > Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. > Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." > Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to > him. > "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had > advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web > sites. > In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million > members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life > Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this > week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m > steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." > In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, > police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether > the alleged drug deal was under investigation. > Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years > until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said > that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical > leader on television. > Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has > supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state > constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that > Haggard in public condemned gay sex. > Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated > in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House > staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court > nominees. > James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative > Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" > over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and > colleague.

Garsh AND Crikey! If Haggard is innocent, then why would he resign? He could always do the "Swaggert" technique by confessing and asking forgiveness from his congregation. PRESIDENTIAL FAITH ADVISER OUTED? Rev. Ted Haggard, pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs and president of the National Association of Evangelicals, is the target of accusations by Mike Jones, a male "escort," that the pastor has been a sexual client of Jones’s for the last three years. Haggard belongs to the elite group of right-wing religious leaders party to regular Monday-morning conference calls with President Bush, according to reporter Jeff Sharlet, writing last year in Harper’s. As a supporter of the ballot measure for a gay marriage ban, which Colorado voters will decide next week, Haggard’s travails have a political taint. http://www.prospect.org/weblog/ Factor in Jeff Gannon aka James Dale Guckert the male escort who visited the Whitehouse fairly routinely, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon and we have some strange porno-homo trio led by Queen Georgie, the Shaved Bush. Yet we thought Laura was pissed about Queen Georgie bonking Condi. That seems quite doubtful now, that is unless the homoerotic godsquad had Condi play dominatrix for the pervert trio. Disgusting…

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> Anyone care to guess what the illegal sex version of "I didn’t inhale" could > be?

That is hilarious! ha ha ha ha ha ha… But that also begs the question: Exactly how are the neonazicon perverts going to blame this obscene soap opera on Clinton? Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol. Then make the claim that Clinton owns more distilleries in the country than anyone else. BTW, I wonder if male escort Jeff Gannon is involved in this scandal…hmmm. What? No retardicons speaking out about this? Their silence is really curious, ain’t it? Probably afraid to speak out and end up being exposed themselves, heh heh heh heh. God’s pervert battalion is about to be raptured. Yeah…sure… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Evangelical leader says he bought meth > By CATHERINE TSAI > (Associated Press) > The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and > received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian > evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the > man. > Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals > wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and > homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones > claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard. > On Friday, Haggard said he that received a massage from Jones after > being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for > himself from the man. > But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I > was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told > reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and > three of his five children. > Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. > Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it." > Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to > him. > "No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had > advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web > sites. > In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million > members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life > Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview earlier this > week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m > steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife." > In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, > police Detective Virginia Quinones said she was checking into whether > the alleged drug deal was under investigation. > Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years > until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said > that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical > leader on television. > Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has > supported a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that would amend the state > constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that > Haggard in public condemned gay sex. > Haggard, who had been president since 2003 of the NAE, has participated > in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House > staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court > nominees. > James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative > Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" > over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and > colleague.

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> Anyone care to guess what the illegal sex version of "I didn’t inhale" could > be?

I didn’t swallow?

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> Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol.

The alcohol excuse is within the domain of Edward’s expertise: "…you brought up a lot of good points, but it’s time for me to go and I’ve had a few beerskis that now have affected my interest in trying to think of replies to your different points."   – Elvis Paisley, 04/27/02 – "Ok, but I’m having beerskis again – watch out!" – Elvis "Kabong" Paisley, 05/01/02 –

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> > Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol. > The alcohol excuse is within the domain of Edward’s expertise: > "…you brought up a lot of good points, but it’s time for > me to go and I’ve had a few beerskis that now have affected > my interest in trying to think of replies to your different > points."   – Elvis Paisley, 04/27/02 – > "Ok, but I’m having beerskis again – watch out!" > – Elvis "Kabong" Paisley, 05/01/02 –

2002, yawn…old news. Lame rerun too, you banal sissy. Bed-wetting and shitting in the pants is of the domain of Lapi Dogi’s daily experience. Doesn’t make him a retard though. He was born with genetic defects in the brain making him stupidity personified permanently which led him to becoming a credulous chump and one of Queen Georgie’s pet droolers. Pity, isn’t it?

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>> Maybe they’ll use the lame Foley excuse – alcohol. >The alcohol excuse is within the domain of Edward’s expertise: >"…you brought up a lot of good points, but it’s time for >me to go and I’ve had a few beerskis that now have affected >my interest in trying to think of replies to your different >points."   – Elvis Paisley, 04/27/02 – >"Ok, but I’m having beerskis again – watch out!" >- Elvis "Kabong" Paisley, 05/01/02 –

Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist.

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> Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist.

Now THAT’S funny.

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> > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > Now THAT’S funny.

A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny.

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> > > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > Now THAT’S funny. > A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny.

You must be a Methodist.

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> > > > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > > Now THAT’S funny. > A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny. > You must be a Methodist.

No, and I’m not a Cath-o-lick either.

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> > > > > Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. > > > Now THAT’S funny. > > A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny. > You must be a Methodist. > No, and I’m not a Cath-o-lick either.

Apologies to any of the fine wonderful and colorful people who are Catholics. No offense intended when I mocked the New Orleans version of pronouncing the word as "CatLick" by using Cath-o-lick. I have plenty of family members and friends who are devoted Catholics.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>> Obviously, the guy is a Meth-odist. >>>> Now THAT’S funny. >>> A clever play on words, but not true and not all that funny. >> You must be a Methodist. > No, and I’m not a Cath-o-lick either. > Apologies to any of the fine wonderful and colorful > people who are Catholics. No offense intended when > I mocked the New Orleans version of pronouncing the > word as "CatLick" by using Cath-o-lick. I have plenty > of family members and friends who are devoted > Catholics.

Anyone devoted to a religion is a zombie.

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Some highlites from a recent Rolling Stone article detailing the terrible performance of the  Republican-controlled congress. The five steps of the worst congress ever: #  RULE BY CABAL     "I remember one incident very clearly — I think it was 2001," [...] We were in a Budget Committee hearing and the Democrats were debating what the final result would be. And my boss gets up and he says, ‘Why are you saying this? You’re not even going to be in the room when the decisions are made.’ " # WORK AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE — AND SCREW UP WHAT LITTLE YOU DO     … the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This Congress — the Do-Even-Less Congress — met for 218 days, just over half a year, between the House and the Senate combined.  -and-     A few years ago, when Democratic staffers in the Senate were frantically poring over a massive Omnibus bill they had been handed the night before the scheduled vote, they discovered a tiny provision that had not been in any of the previous versions. The item would have given senators on the Appropriations Committee access to the private records of any taxpayer — essentially endowing a few selected hacks in the Senate with the license to snoop into the private financial information of all Americans. # LET THE PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS     Despite an international uproar over Abu Ghraib, Congress spent only twelve hours on hearings on the issue. During the Clinton administration, by contrast, the Republican Congress spent 140 hours investigating the president’s alleged misuse of his Christmas-card greeting list. # SPEND, SPEND, SPEND     There is a simple reason that members of Congress don’t waste their time providing any oversight of the executive branch: There’s nothing in it for them. "What they’ve all figured out is that there’s no political payoff in oversight," says Wheeler, the former congressional staffer. "But there’s a big payoff in pork." # LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS     Billy Tauzin scarcely waited a week after leaving office to start a $2 million-a-year job running PhRMA, the group that helped him push through a bill prohibiting the government from negotiating lower prices for prescription drugs. Tauzin also became the all-time poster boy for pork absurdity when a "greenbonds initiative" crafted in his Energy and Commerce Committee turned out to be a subsidy to build a Hooters in his home state of Louisiana.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Some highlites from a recent Rolling Stone article detailing the > terrible performance of the  Republican-controlled congress. > The five steps of the worst congress ever: > #  RULE BY CABAL >     "I remember one incident very clearly — I think it was 2001," > [...] We were in a Budget Committee hearing and the Democrats were > debating what the final result would be. And my boss gets up and he > says, ‘Why are you saying this? You’re not even going to be in the room > when the decisions are made.’ " > # WORK AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE — AND SCREW UP WHAT LITTLE YOU DO >     … the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record > for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which > met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This > Congress — the Do-Even-Less Congress — met for 218 days, just over > half a year, between the House and the Senate combined. >  -and- >     A few years ago, when Democratic staffers in the Senate were > frantically poring over a massive Omnibus bill they had been handed the > night before the scheduled vote, they discovered a tiny provision that > had not been in any of the previous versions. The item would have given > senators on the Appropriations Committee access to the private records > of any taxpayer — essentially endowing a few selected hacks in the > Senate with the license to snoop into the private financial information > of all Americans. > # LET THE PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS >     Despite an international uproar over Abu Ghraib, Congress spent > only twelve hours on hearings on the issue. During the Clinton > administration, by contrast, the Republican Congress spent 140 hours > investigating the president’s alleged misuse of his Christmas-card > greeting list. > # SPEND, SPEND, SPEND >     There is a simple reason that members of Congress don’t waste their > time providing any oversight of the executive branch: There’s nothing > in it for them. "What they’ve all figured out is that there’s no > political payoff in oversight," says Wheeler, the former congressional > staffer. "But there’s a big payoff in pork." > # LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS >     Billy Tauzin scarcely waited a week after leaving office to start a > $2 million-a-year job running PhRMA, the group that helped him push > through a bill prohibiting the government from negotiating lower prices > for prescription drugs. Tauzin also became the all-time poster boy for > pork absurdity when a "greenbonds initiative" crafted in his Energy and > Commerce Committee turned out to be a subsidy to build a Hooters in his > home state of Louisiana.

Also note this list of "moral" Greedy Old Perverts of the Republican Party: About six months ago, I researched a group of elected Republicans who had been arrested or forced to leave office because of the sexual sins that they had sinned, sins for which many of them were arrested. As a public service, I am rerunning that list. * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14-year-old girls. * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New Hampshire is a convicted child molester. * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls. * Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. * Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, Pennsylvania was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor. * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of Kannapolis, N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida. * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New Jersey pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, California was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl, which produced a child. * Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. * Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was charged with molesting his 9-year old stepdaughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial. * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail. * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona pled guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. * Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page. * Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his stepdaughter. * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography. * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of Maryland was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. * Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, New Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. * Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. "Republican Marty") was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman; interestingly enough, that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down all of the standards for the highest office in the land. * Republican legislative aid Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, California was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. * Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston, Texas pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl. * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling of Anderson, Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington pled guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. * Republican election board official Kevin Coan of St. Louis, Missouri was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. * Republican politician Andrew Buhr, also of St. Louis, was charged with two counts of first-degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland of Kingsport, Tennessee was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt of Pensacola, Florida was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl. * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs of Hawaii County, Hawaii pled guilty to molesting a male child. * Republican activist John Butler of Cass County, Illinois was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl. * Republican candidate Richard Gardner of Clark County, Nevada admitted to molesting his two daughters. * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner of Lancaster, … read more »

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>Some highlites from a recent Rolling Stone article

If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool… JJTj

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Some highlites from a recent Rolling Stone article detailing the > terrible performance of the  Republican-controlled congress. > The five steps of the worst congress ever: > #  RULE BY CABAL >     "I remember one incident very clearly — I think it was 2001," > [...] We were in a Budget Committee hearing and the Democrats were > debating what the final result would be. And my boss gets up and he > says, ‘Why are you saying this? You’re not even going to be in the room > when the decisions are made.’ " > # WORK AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE — AND SCREW UP WHAT LITTLE YOU DO >     … the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record > for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which > met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This > Congress — the Do-Even-Less Congress — met for 218 days, just over > half a year, between the House and the Senate combined. >  -and- >     A few years ago, when Democratic staffers in the Senate were > frantically poring over a massive Omnibus bill they had been handed the > night before the scheduled vote, they discovered a tiny provision that > had not been in any of the previous versions. The item would have given > senators on the Appropriations Committee access to the private records > of any taxpayer — essentially endowing a few selected hacks in the > Senate with the license to snoop into the private financial information > of all Americans. > # LET THE PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS >     Despite an international uproar over Abu Ghraib, Congress spent > only twelve hours on hearings on the issue. During the Clinton > administration, by contrast, the Republican Congress spent 140 hours > investigating the president’s alleged misuse of his Christmas-card > greeting list. > # SPEND, SPEND, SPEND >     There is a simple reason that members of Congress don’t waste their > time providing any oversight of the executive branch: There’s nothing > in it for them. "What they’ve all figured out is that there’s no > political payoff in oversight," says Wheeler, the former congressional > staffer. "But there’s a big payoff in pork." > # LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS >     Billy Tauzin scarcely waited a week after leaving office to start a > $2 million-a-year job running PhRMA, the group that helped him push > through a bill prohibiting the government from negotiating lower prices > for prescription drugs. Tauzin also became the all-time poster boy for > pork absurdity when a "greenbonds initiative" crafted in his Energy and > Commerce Committee turned out to be a subsidy to build a Hooters in his > home state of Louisiana. > Also note this list of "moral" Greedy Old Perverts of the Republican > Party: > About six months ago, I researched a group of elected Republicans who had > been arrested or forced to leave office because of the > sexual sins that they had sinned, sins for which many of them were > arrested. As a public service, I am rerunning that list. > * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion > of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has > repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. > * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled no > contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to > 10 years probation. > * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was > arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. > * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury > Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and > 14-year-old girls. > * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New Hampshire > is a convicted child molester. > * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving a > 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 > and 10-year old girls. > * Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges > of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. > * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio > pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and > was sentenced to 8 years in prison. > * Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison > Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for > raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. > * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, Pennsylvania > was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful > sexual contact with a minor. > * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of Kannapolis, > N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida. > * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church > president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to > performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. > * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New Jersey > pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his > computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. > * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, California > was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude > photographs of a 15-year old girl. > * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond of > South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl, > which produced a child. > * Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush > commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered > to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. > * Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no > contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a > 13-year-old girl. > * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was > charged with molesting his 9-year old stepdaughter after > including her in an anti-Gore television commercial. > * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist Craig > J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex > parties at the White House during the 1980s. > * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was found > guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to > one month in jail. > * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was found > guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls > to pose for sexual photos. > * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was > convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. > * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona pled > guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. > * Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female minor > working as a congressional page. > * Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina > Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous > relationship with his stepdaughter. > * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was placed > under house arrest for child molestation and possession > of child pornography. > * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of Maryland > was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he > picked up at a gay bar. > * Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, New > Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a > 5-year-old girl being raped. > * Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. "Republican > Marty") was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts > of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of > delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman; interestingly enough, > that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down all > of the standards for the highest office in the land. > * Republican legislative aid Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, California > was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession > of child pornography. > * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine > from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having > sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the > allegations were reported in the media. > * Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who > demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to > jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform > oral sex on him. > * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston, Texas pleaded guilty > to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl. > * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling of Anderson, > Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an > 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. > * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington pled > guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 > years in federal prison. > * Republican election board official Kevin Coan of St. Louis, Missouri was > sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over > the internet from a 14-year old girl. > * Republican politician Andrew Buhr, also of St. Louis, was charged with > two counts of first-degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. > * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland of Kingsport, Tennessee was > arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious > exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to > children). > * Republican

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Some highlites from a recent Rolling Stone article detailing the >> terrible performance of the  Republican-controlled congress. >> The five steps of the worst congress ever: >> #  RULE BY CABAL >>     "I remember one incident very clearly — I think it was 2001," >> [...] We were in a Budget Committee hearing and the Democrats were >> debating what the final result would be. And my boss gets up and he >> says, ‘Why are you saying this? You’re not even going to be in the room >> when the decisions are made.’ " >> # WORK AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE — AND SCREW UP WHAT LITTLE YOU DO >>     … the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record >> for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which >> met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This >> Congress — the Do-Even-Less Congress — met for 218 days, just over >> half a year, between the House and the Senate combined. >>  -and- >>     A few years ago, when Democratic staffers in the Senate were >> frantically poring over a massive Omnibus bill they had been handed the >> night before the scheduled vote, they discovered a tiny provision that >> had not been in any of the previous versions. The item would have given >> senators on the Appropriations Committee access to the private records >> of any taxpayer — essentially endowing a few selected hacks in the >> Senate with the license to snoop into the private financial information >> of all Americans. >> # LET THE PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS >>     Despite an international uproar over Abu Ghraib, Congress spent >> only twelve hours on hearings on the issue. During the Clinton >> administration, by contrast, the Republican Congress spent 140 hours >> investigating the president’s alleged misuse of his Christmas-card >> greeting list. >> # SPEND, SPEND, SPEND >>     There is a simple reason that members of Congress don’t waste their >> time providing any oversight of the executive branch: There’s nothing >> in it for them. "What they’ve all figured out is that there’s no >> political payoff in oversight," says Wheeler, the former congressional >> staffer. "But there’s a big payoff in pork." >> # LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS >>     Billy Tauzin scarcely waited a week after leaving office to start a >> $2 million-a-year job running PhRMA, the group that helped him push >> through a bill prohibiting the government from negotiating lower prices >> for prescription drugs. Tauzin also became the all-time poster boy for >> pork absurdity when a "greenbonds initiative" crafted in his Energy and >> Commerce Committee turned out to be a subsidy to build a Hooters in his >> home state of Louisiana. > Also note this list of "moral" Greedy Old Perverts of the Republican > Party: > About six months ago, I researched a group of elected Republicans who had > been arrested or forced to leave office because of the > sexual sins that they had sinned, sins for which many of them were > arrested. As a public service, I am rerunning that list. > * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion > of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has > repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. > * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled no > contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to > 10 years probation. > * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was > arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. > * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury > Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and > 14-year-old girls. > * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New Hampshire > is a convicted child molester. > * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving a > 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 > and 10-year old girls. > * Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges > of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. > * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio > pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and > was sentenced to 8 years in prison. > * Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison > Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for > raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. > * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, Pennsylvania > was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful > sexual contact with a minor. > * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of Kannapolis, > N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida. > * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church > president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to > performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. > * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New Jersey > pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his > computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. > * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, California > was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude > photographs of a 15-year old girl. > * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond of > South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl, > which produced a child. > * Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush > commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered > to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. > * Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no > contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a > 13-year-old girl. > * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was > charged with molesting his 9-year old stepdaughter after > including her in an anti-Gore television commercial. > * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist Craig > J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex > parties at the White House during the 1980s. > * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was found > guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to > one month in jail. > * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was found > guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls > to pose for sexual photos. > * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was > convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. > * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona pled > guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. > * Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female minor > working as a congressional page. > * Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina > Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous > relationship with his stepdaughter. > * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was placed > under house arrest for child molestation and possession > of child pornography. > * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of Maryland > was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he > picked up at a gay bar. > * Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, New > Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a > 5-year-old girl being raped. > * Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. "Republican > Marty") was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts > of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of > delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman; interestingly enough, > that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down all > of the standards for the highest office in the land. > * Republican legislative aid Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, California > was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession > of child pornography. > * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine > from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having > sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the > allegations were reported in the media. > * Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who > demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to > jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform > oral sex on him. > * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston, Texas pleaded guilty > to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl. > * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling of Anderson, > Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an > 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. > * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington pled > guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 > years in federal prison. > *

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> * Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of > children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents > into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

Dude, did it ever cross your mind to wonder how much of this list is believable, or is it just your flavor of Koolaid so you don’t want to take too close a look at it?

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This > >> Congress — the Do-Even-Less Congress — met for 218 days, just over > >> half a year, between the House and the Senate combined. > >>  -and- > >>     A few years ago, when Democratic staffers in the Senate were > >> frantically poring over a massive Omnibus bill they had been handed > >> the > >> night before the scheduled vote, they discovered a tiny provision that > >> had not been in any of the previous versions. The item would have > >> given > >> senators on the Appropriations Committee access to the private records > >> of any taxpayer — essentially endowing a few selected hacks in the > >> Senate with the license to snoop into the private financial > >> information > >> of all Americans. > >> # LET THE PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS > >>     Despite an international uproar over Abu Ghraib, Congress spent > >> only twelve hours on hearings on the issue. During the Clinton > >> administration, by contrast, the Republican Congress spent 140 hours > >> investigating the president’s alleged misuse of his Christmas-card > >> greeting list. > >> # SPEND, SPEND, SPEND > >>     There is a simple reason that members of Congress don’t waste > >> their > >> time providing any oversight of the executive branch: There’s nothing > >> in it for them. "What they’ve all figured out is that there’s no > >> political payoff in oversight," says Wheeler, the former congressional > >> staffer. "But there’s a big payoff in pork." > >> # LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS > >>     Billy Tauzin scarcely waited a week after leaving office to start > >> a > >> $2 million-a-year job running PhRMA, the group that helped him push > >> through a bill prohibiting the government from negotiating lower > >> prices > >> for prescription drugs. Tauzin also became the all-time poster boy for > >> pork absurdity when a "greenbonds initiative" crafted in his Energy > >> and > >> Commerce Committee turned out to be a subsidy to build a Hooters in > >> his > >> home state of Louisiana. > > Also note this list of "moral" Greedy Old Perverts of the Republican > > Party: > > About six months ago, I researched a group of elected Republicans who > > had > > been arrested or forced to leave office because of the > > sexual sins that they had sinned, sins for which many of them were > > arrested. As a public service, I am rerunning that list. > > * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on > > suspicion > > of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has > > repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. > > * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled > > no > > contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to > > 10 years probation. > > * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was > > arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. > > * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury > > Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and > > 14-year-old girls. > > * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New > > Hampshire > > is a convicted child molester. > > * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving > > a > > 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 > > and 10-year old girls. > > * Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on > > charges > > of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. > > * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio > > pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and > > was sentenced to 8 years in prison. > > * Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison > > Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for > > raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. > > * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, > > Pennsylvania > > was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful > > sexual contact with a minor. > > * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of > > Kannapolis, > > N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida. > > * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church > > president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to > > performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. > > * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New > > Jersey > > pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his > > computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion > > doctor. > > * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, > > California > > was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude > > photographs of a 15-year old girl. > > * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond > > of > > South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl, > > which produced a child. > > * Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush > > commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered > > to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. > > * Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no > > contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a > > 13-year-old girl. > > * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was > > charged with molesting his 9-year old stepdaughter after > > including her in an anti-Gore television commercial. > > * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist > > Craig > > J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex > > parties at the White House during the 1980s. > > * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was > > found > > guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to > > one month in jail. > > * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was > > found > > guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls > > to pose for sexual photos. > > * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was > > convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. > > * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona > > pled > > guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. > > * Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female > > minor > > working as a congressional page. > > * Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina > > Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous > > relationship with his stepdaughter. > > * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was > > placed > > under house arrest for child molestation and possession > > of child pornography. > > * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of > > Maryland > > was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he > > picked up at a gay bar. > > * Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, > > New > > Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a > > 5-year-old girl being raped. > > * Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. "Republican > > Marty") was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts > > of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of > > delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman; interestingly enough, > > that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down > > all > > of the standards for the highest office in the land. > > * Republican legislative aid Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, > > California > > was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession > > of child pornography. > > * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine > > from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having > > sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after > > the > > allegations were reported in the media. > > * Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who > > demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to > > jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform > > oral sex on him. > > * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston,

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> If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool…

Written by someone who’s obviously never read Rolling Stone…

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> > If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool… > Written by someone who’s obviously never read Rolling Stone…

Oh, he probably reads it or tries to read it, that is until he realizes they’re not writing what he wants to hear so he automatically exits, just like any S.O.L.D. (Simpering Obstinate Lemming Drone).

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>> If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool… >Written by someone who’s obviously never read Rolling Stone…

Bite me, I read R/S since before you were born, and got a cellar full of old moldy issues.  RS today is JUST an advertising venue and an outlet for LIB losers who feel the need to brainwash 2day’s youth to some old asswipe’s idea of what should be happening. In the future, it will be noted that RS magazine was scum and a liar… Rolling Stone Magazine TODAY is no more a political magazine then Western Auto ever pretended to be.  RS is complete BULLSHIT and you DON’T want to know just what the BULL ATE.  Pretend otherwise. JJTj …It is history in the making… ……and it’s in the Key of ‘ A ‘.. …what more could any civilized man want…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool… >Written by someone who’s obviously never read Rolling Stone… > Bite me, I read R/S since before you were born, and got a cellar > full of old moldy issues.  RS today is JUST an advertising venue > and an outlet for LIB losers who feel the need to brainwash 2day’s > youth to some old asswipe’s idea of what should be happening. > In the future, it will be noted that RS magazine was scum and a liar… > Rolling Stone Magazine TODAY is no more a political magazine then > Western Auto ever pretended to be.  RS is complete BULLSHIT and > you DON’T want to know just what the BULL ATE.  Pretend otherwise. > JJTj

Does this mean you think that draft-dodging, drug-addicted hate-radio loudmouth and perverter of truth, Rash Limpdick is valid? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> …It is history in the making… > ……and it’s in the Key of ‘ A ‘.. > …what more could any civilized man want…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool… > >Written by someone who’s obviously never read Rolling Stone… > Bite me, I read R/S since before you were born, and got a cellar > full of old moldy issues.  RS today is JUST an advertising venue > and an outlet for LIB losers who feel the need to brainwash 2day’s > youth to some old asswipe’s idea of what should be happening. > In the future, it will be noted that RS magazine was scum and a liar… > Rolling Stone Magazine TODAY is no more a political magazine then > Western Auto ever pretended to be.  RS is complete BULLSHIT and > you DON’T want to know just what the BULL ATE.  Pretend otherwise. > JJTj > Does this mean you think that draft-dodging, drug-addicted hate-radio > loudmouth and perverter of truth, Rash Limpdick is valid?

Or has *any* remaining credibility? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> …It is history in the making… > ……and it’s in the Key of ‘ A ‘.. > …what more could any civilized man want…

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>Does this mean you think that draft-dodging, drug-addicted hate-radio >loudmouth and perverter of truth, Rash Limpdick is valid?

WHAT does the lack of reality that RS mag pukes 2day have to do with RL? FTR, I think RL is as lame as ANYTHING in RS…maybe worse.. Typ LIB smoke screen..avoid the subject, attack someone else.. Here’s a hint…. GWB ain’t running next term.. FORGET what was..give me someone to vote for.. JJTj

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> > * Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of > children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents > into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. > Dude, did it ever cross your mind to wonder how much of this list is > believable, or is it just your flavor of Koolaid so you don’t want to take > too close a look at it?

You never bother to verify a damn thing. So bugger off, you out of context straw-hack.

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> I read R/S since before you were born

Bullshit. > In the future, it will be noted that RS magazine was scum and a liar… >  RS is complete BULLSHIT

And yet you claim to continue buying and reading it. What kind of an idiot does that make you?

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> FTR, I think RL is as lame as ANYTHING in RS…

And yet you claim to continue to buy and read the magazine. What kind of idiot does that make you?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> If you use RS as a political base, you are a fool… >Written by someone who’s obviously never read Rolling Stone… > Bite me, I read R/S since before you were born, and got a cellar > full of old moldy issues.  RS today is JUST an advertising venue > and an outlet for LIB losers who feel the need to brainwash 2day’s > youth to some old asswipe’s idea of what should be happening. > In the future, it will be noted that RS magazine was scum and a liar… > Rolling Stone Magazine TODAY is no more a political magazine then > Western Auto ever pretended to be.  RS is complete BULLSHIT and > you DON’T want to know just what the BULL ATE.  Pretend otherwise.

Oh, I get it, just because RS publishes articles that are critical of or dispute with Dictator Duhbya and his policies, republican ideologies and corporate misconducts, therefore RS is automatically to be deemed nothing but bullshit and something for the "liberal" to indulge in. Yep, just like the Republican pandering Fox False "news" cheerleading public relations department of the Whitey House – if *anyone* is the slight bit negative about Fox or the Bush Crime Family, they’re instantly labeled an America-hating, godless commie traitor! Yet, the press is *supposed* to have an adversarial relationship with the government in order to keep the government in check, to keep the government honest and to expose any fraudulent activites the government may be indulging in. But amazingly enough, one hears about condtioned parrots stating that the press shouldn’t be asking tough questions and the press shouldn’t be telling us what’s really going on. Sheeks, what pathetic lemming drones! I sure hope I’m not communicating with one of those zombies right now! Or am I? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JJTj > …It is history in the making… > ……and it’s in the Key of ‘ A ‘.. > …what more could any civilized man want…

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> You never bother to verify a damn thing. > So bugger off, you out of context straw-hack.

What a chickenshit remark, the last couple of times I answered your posts with links to news stories you didn’t even have the balls to respond. You’ve just another Lord Valve cut-and-past-commando, and the funniest part is you aren’t even any good at it. Hey Ed, what about building 7? Pfffft, what a clown.

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>> I read R/S since before you were born >Bullshit.

OK. I don’t know how old you are, but I have Issue #1 up to about ‘86, then I stopped saving them.  Is that better… DON’T talk about bullshit unless you know what the bull ate… > In the future, it will be noted that RS magazine was scum and a liar…

IMHO… >  RS is complete BULLSHIT

AGAIN… IMHO.  Kids 2day are being programmed by the same type of companies n politics RS 1st started out to be against.  They are bought n sold…cheap >And yet you claim to continue buying and reading it.

I never claimed I buy it, in fact my business does provide me with comp RS (and many other mags) and has for decades.. Even while we wouldn’t advertise there.  It keeps on coming.. >What kind of an idiot does that make you?

One who gets free magazines and corrects your mistakes…  :> Mow please, come back with some lame childish obscene insult… JJTj

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>> FTR, I think RL is as lame as ANYTHING in RS… >And yet you claim to continue to buy and read the magazine. What kind of >idiot does that make you?

I’ll guess you haven’t seen my reply to that, but RL is a pompas ass, and no more a ‘news outlet’ then the Daily Show or RS.  Can’t answer that I dislike RS yet have no love either for RL?  Can’t handle the truth? JJTj

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> >> FTR, I think RL is as lame as ANYTHING in RS… >And yet you claim to continue to buy and read the magazine. What kind of >idiot does that make you? > I’ll guess you haven’t seen my reply to that, > but RL is a pompas ass, and no more a ‘news outlet’ > then the Daily Show or RS.  Can’t answer that I dislike > RS yet have no love either for RL?  Can’t handle the truth? > JJTj

actually the Daily Show is more of a news outlet than Fox News and ties with the other network "newsotainment" shows.

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>actually the Daily Show is more of a news outlet than Fox News and ties >with the other network "newsotainment" shows.

The DS is just a 30 min comedy show where FOX (as much as I am not crazy about them) ARE more a NEWS outlet.  But the DS is no better then the others, it’s, as we both say, called "."newsotainment".  Bad sources. Guys like Glenn Beck once had alot of class, but give ‘em TV, and he’s just another buffoon. Shit, I’ll even shock ya and sort of ‘retract’ something I said before to make this IMHO point. RS is more a news source then the D/Show, but RS IS ALOT more biased.  They (RS) are also ALOT bigger machine (ad $, which is all that EVER mattered) wise. ..thus, they will report what the ADVERTISERS want to place their ads in the pages of.  Believe otherwise, in ANY magazine, and you are right where ‘ThEy’ want you. "Well, you won’t get fooled again.." "And when you do, we’ll tell you when.." JJTj

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> >actually the Daily Show is more of a news outlet than Fox News and ties >with the other network "newsotainment" shows. > The DS is just a 30 min comedy show where > FOX (as much as I am not crazy about them) > ARE more a NEWS outlet.  

FOX ARE NOT a NEWS outlet! Fox is nothing but an overly biased propaganda machine and public relations department of the Bushit adminstration. Check out the DVD "Outfoxed". You’ll see how they pervert the news, perpetuate the repug "talking points" by contantly repeating them and starting rumors by beginning their statements with, "Someone said…" followed by some disinformation or smear tactic or liberal bashing and without having to cornfirm their source(s) and never providing retractions when exposed as falsities. Fair and balanced? My ass! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->But the DS is no > better then the others, it’s, as we both > say, called "."newsotainment".  Bad sources. > Guys like Glenn Beck once had alot of class, > but give ‘em TV, and he’s just another buffoon. > Shit, I’ll even shock ya and sort of ‘retract’ > something I said before to make this IMHO point. > RS is more a news source then the D/Show, but RS > IS ALOT more biased.  They (RS) are also ALOT bigger > machine (ad $, which is all that EVER mattered) wise. > ..thus, they will report what the ADVERTISERS want to > place their ads in the pages of.  Believe otherwise, > in ANY magazine, and you are right where ‘ThEy’ want you. > "Well, you won’t get fooled again.." > "And when you do, we’ll tell you when.." > JJTj

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>> The DS is just a 30 min comedy show where > FOX (as much as I am not crazy about them) > ARE more a NEWS outlet.   >FOX ARE NOT a NEWS outlet! >Fox is nothing but an overly biased propaganda machine >and public relations department of the Bushit adminstration.

You think Bush runs Fox..? I doubt you are that stupid.. and please, Bush isn’t running in ‘08.  Grow up. >Check out the DVD "Outfoxed". You’ll see how they pervert >the news, perpetuate the repug "talking points" by contantly >repeating them and starting rumors by beginning their statements >with, "Someone said…" followed by some disinformation or >smear tactic or liberal bashing and without having to cornfirm >their source(s) and never providing retractions when exposed >as falsities. Fair and balanced? My ass!

Saw it, good DVD, but you think the DS doesn’t do that in spades.? It’s written by COMEDY WRITERS, it’s there for laughs..little ELSE. You have a GOOD point about Fox, and I even said I am NOT crazy about them, but the Daily Show?  It’s a 30 min comedy bit at best. ..who, as they should, re-arrange things to be funny….n they do.. ..I watch it more than I would ever Fox.  Greater jokes… NEWS outlet.?..please.  It’s a cheap laugh..sometimes done well. > "Well, you won’t get fooled again.." > "And when you do, we’ll tell you when.."

JJTj

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> >> The DS is just a 30 min comedy show where >> FOX (as much as I am not crazy about them) >> ARE more a NEWS outlet.   >FOX ARE NOT a NEWS outlet! >Fox is nothing but an overly biased propaganda machine >and public relations department of the Bushit adminstration. > You think Bush runs Fox..? I doubt you are that stupid..

Neither one of us knows for sure one way or the other, but it is true that Fox panders to Bush, his administration and all repug Senators and Representatives, i.e. the the Republican Party. > and please, Bush isn’t running in ‘08.  Grow up.

Thanks for pointing out the bloody obvious. But you still see Duhbya campaigning trying to sell his failed economic policies, trying to put a positive spin on the futile occupation in Iraq and in general his incompetent ass cover-up while Fox is there to promote his every sideshow as the chimpy geek super terrist [sic] fighter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Check out the DVD "Outfoxed". You’ll see how they pervert >the news, perpetuate the repug "talking points" by contantly >repeating them and starting rumors by beginning their statements >with, "Someone said…" followed by some disinformation or >smear tactic or liberal bashing and without having to cornfirm >their source(s) and never providing retractions when exposed >as falsities. Fair and balanced? My ass! > Saw it, good DVD, but you think the DS doesn’t do that in spades.? > It’s written by COMEDY WRITERS, it’s there for laughs..little ELSE. > You have a GOOD point about Fox, and I even said I am NOT crazy > about them, but the Daily Show?  It’s a 30 min comedy bit at best. > ..who, as they should, re-arrange things to be funny….n they do.. > ..I watch it more than I would ever Fox.  Greater jokes… > NEWS outlet.?..please.  It’s a cheap laugh..sometimes done well. >> "Well, you won’t get fooled again.." >> "And when you do, we’ll tell you when.." > JJTj

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Glitches cited in early voting Early voters are urged to cast their ballots with care following scattered reports of problems with heavily used machines. BY CHARLES RABIN AND DARRAN SIMON After a week of early voting, a handful of glitches with electronic voting machines have drawn the ire of voters, reassurances from elections supervisors — and a caution against the careless casting of ballots. Several South Florida voters say the choices they touched on the electronic screens were not the ones that appeared on the review screen — the final voting step. Election officials say they aren’t aware of any serious voting issues. But in Broward County, for example, they don’t know how widespread the machine problems are because there’s no process for poll workers to quickly report minor issues and no central database of machine problems. In Miami-Dade, incidents are logged and reported daily and recorded in a central database. Problem machines are shut down. ”In the past, Miami-Dade County would send someone to correct the machine on site,” said Lester Sola, county supervisor of elections. Now, he said, “We close the machine down and put a seal on it.” Debra A. Reed voted with her boss on Wednesday at African-American Research Library and Cultural Center near Fort Lauderdale. Her vote went smoothly, but boss Gary Rudolf called her over to look at what was happening on his machine. He touched the screen for gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly registered the Republican, Charlie Crist. That’s exactly the kind of problem that sends conspiracy theorists into high gear — especially in South Florida, where a history of problems at the polls have made voters particularly skittish. A poll worker then helped Rudolf, but it took three tries to get it right, Reed said. ”I’m shocked because I really want . . . to trust that the issues with irregularities with voting machines have been resolved,” said Reed, a paralegal. “It worries me because the races are so close.” Broward Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney said it’s not uncommon for screens on heavily used machines to slip out of sync, making votes register incorrectly. Poll workers are trained to recalibrate them on the spot — essentially, to realign the video screen with the electronics inside. The 15-step process is outlined in the poll-workers manual. ”It is resolved right there at the early-voting site,” Cooney said. Broward poll workers keep a log of all maintenance done on machines at each site. But the Supervisor of Elections office doesn’t see that log until the early voting period ends. And a machine isn’t taken out of service unless the poll clerk decides it’s a chronic poor performer that can’t be fixed. Cooney said no machines have been removed during early voting, and she is not aware of any serious problems. In Miami-Dade, two machines have been taken out of service during early voting. No votes were lost, Sola said. Joan Marek, 60, a Democrat from Hollywood, was also stunned to see Charlie Crist on her ballot review page after voting on Thursday. ”Am I on the voting screen again?” she wondered. “Well, this is too weird.” Marek corrected her ballot and alerted poll workers at the Hollywood satellite courthouse, who she said told her they’d had previous problems with the same machine. Poll workers did some work on her machine when she finished voting, Marek said. But no report was made to the Supervisor of Elections office and the machine was not removed, Cooney said. Workers at the Hollywood poll said there had been no voting problems on Friday. Mauricio Raponi wanted to vote for Democrats across the board at the Lemon City Library in Miami on Thursday. But each time he hit the button next to the candidate, the Republican choice showed up. Raponi, 53, persevered until the machine worked. Then he alerted a poll worker. Miami Herald staff writer Linda Topping Streitfeld contributed to this report.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Glitches cited in early voting > Early voters are urged to cast their ballots with care following > scattered reports of problems with heavily used machines. > BY CHARLES RABIN AND DARRAN SIMON > After a week of early voting, a handful of glitches with electronic > voting machines have drawn the ire of voters, reassurances from > elections supervisors — and a caution against the careless casting of > ballots. > Several South Florida voters say the choices they touched on the > electronic screens were not the ones that appeared on the review screen > — the final voting step. > Election officials say they aren’t aware of any serious voting issues. > But in Broward County, for example, they don’t know how widespread the > machine problems are because there’s no process for poll workers to > quickly report minor issues and no central database of machine > problems. > In Miami-Dade, incidents are logged and reported daily and recorded in > a central database. Problem machines are shut down. > ”In the past, Miami-Dade County would send someone to correct the > machine on site,” said Lester Sola, county supervisor of elections. > Now, he said, “We close the machine down and put a seal on it.” > Debra A. Reed voted with her boss on Wednesday at African-American > Research Library and Cultural Center near Fort Lauderdale. Her vote > went smoothly, but boss Gary Rudolf called her over to look at what was > happening on his machine. He touched the screen for gubernatorial > candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly > registered the Republican, Charlie Crist. > That’s exactly the kind of problem that sends conspiracy theorists into > high gear — especially in South Florida, where a history of problems > at the polls have made voters particularly skittish. > A poll worker then helped Rudolf, but it took three tries to get it > right, Reed said. > ”I’m shocked because I really want . . . to trust that the issues with > irregularities with voting machines have been resolved,” said Reed, a > paralegal. “It worries me because the races are so close.” > Broward Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney said it’s not > uncommon for screens on heavily used machines to slip out of sync, > making votes register incorrectly. Poll workers are trained to > recalibrate them on the spot — essentially, to realign the video > screen with the electronics inside. The 15-step process is outlined in > the poll-workers manual. > ”It is resolved right there at the early-voting site,” Cooney said. > Broward poll workers keep a log of all maintenance done on machines at > each site. But the Supervisor of Elections office doesn’t see that log > until the early voting period ends. And a machine isn’t taken out of > service unless the poll clerk decides it’s a chronic poor performer > that can’t be fixed. > Cooney said no machines have been removed during early voting, and she > is not aware of any serious problems. > In Miami-Dade, two machines have been taken out of service during early > voting. No votes were lost, Sola said. > Joan Marek, 60, a Democrat from Hollywood, was also stunned to see > Charlie Crist on her ballot review page after voting on Thursday. ”Am > I on the voting screen again?” she wondered. “Well, this is too > weird.” > Marek corrected her ballot and alerted poll workers at the Hollywood > satellite courthouse, who she said told her they’d had previous > problems with the same machine. > Poll workers did some work on her machine when she finished voting, > Marek said. But no report was made to the Supervisor of Elections > office and the machine was not removed, Cooney said. > Workers at the Hollywood poll said there had been no voting problems on > Friday. > Mauricio Raponi wanted to vote for Democrats across the board at the > Lemon City Library in Miami on Thursday. But each time he hit the > button next to the candidate, the Republican choice showed up. Raponi, > 53, persevered until the machine worked. Then he alerted a poll worker. > Miami Herald staff writer Linda Topping Streitfeld contributed to this > report.

Yesserriee, that’s the only way the cryto-nazis can win elections – BY CHEATING THEIR WAY IN! Notice how none of the "glitches" cause a switch from a republican candidate to a democratic candidate? It’s as if they always default to a stinkin’ repug. Frickin’ corrupt crooks.

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same thing is happening in Texas http://www.kfdm.com/engine.pl?station=kfdm&id=17343&template=breakout…

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Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to Democratic? Or are there? As far as I know, it is not illegal to take a camera into the voting booth with you. Time stamp, and in sequence, take a pic of your vote, take a pic of the preview screen, and VOILA! These changes are showing up on the preview screens, that’s how they are being caught.

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> Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to > Democratic? Or are there?

<insert quip about liberal media here>

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> > Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to > Democratic? Or are there? > <insert quip about liberal media here>

there are some very strange political ads in our local paper of late. It seems our local candidates are trying to position themselves as being more Christian than thou and less corrupt than thou and not a one mentions which political party they belong to. There was even one ad that supported no one but merely said Jesus didn’t belong to a political party. Let me tell you, for here – that’s a turning of the lake. There is no place more conservative than here. I think the camera idea is a good one, not only for the machines but to record the election judges. Last election an Iraq 1 war veteran got in a heap of trouble because he used his cell phone in the voting room to call him mom to remind her to vote. A fight ensued because the judged pushed him and this poor guy is waiting for trial. If someone had been video taping there would be no trial. His main problem was that he was hispanic, wearing a Che muscle shirt (which showed his marine tatoos). The 70 year old white judge didn’t like the looks of him. Anyway  if any of you, even you righties, are really concerned about election integrity, go sign up to become an election judge in your precinct.  Secure the vote in your own backyard.  God knows that we need more people to do this, because the elderly election judges are resigning in droves because they are intimidated by electronic voting. We need ethical people to take their place.  Please become one of them. or sign up to video the vote http://www.videothevote.org/home.htm don’t just complain about "the system" being broken.

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>Anyway  if any of you, even you righties, are really concerned about >election integrity, go sign up to become an election judge in your >precinct.  Secure the vote in your own backyard.  God knows that we >need more people to do this, because the elderly election judges are >resigning in droves because they are intimidated by electronic voting. >We need ethical people to take their place.  Please become one of them.

I do that on and off here, and it is a GREAT idea.  Good post… >don’t just complain about "the system" being broken.

..folks best take that advice in ‘08 and run some good people, cause Bush ain’t running, and folks like me want SANE changes. JJTj …It is history in the making… ……and it’s in the Key of ‘ A ‘.. …what more could any civilized man want…

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http://www.ebaumsworld.com/floridavoting.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to > > Democratic? Or are there? > <insert quip about liberal media here> > there are some very strange political ads in our local paper of late. > It seems our local candidates are trying to position themselves as > being more Christian than thou and less corrupt than thou and not a one > mentions which political party they belong to. There was even one ad > that supported no one but merely said Jesus didn’t belong to a > political party. Let me tell you, for here – that’s a turning of the > lake. There is no place more conservative than here. > I think the camera idea is a good one, not only for the machines but to > record the election judges. Last election an Iraq 1 war veteran got in > a heap of trouble because he used his cell phone in the voting room to > call him mom to remind her to vote. A fight ensued because the judged > pushed him and this poor guy is waiting for trial. If someone had been > video taping there would be no trial. His main problem was that he was > hispanic, wearing a Che muscle shirt (which showed his marine tatoos). > The 70 year old white judge didn’t like the looks of him. > Anyway  if any of you, even you righties, are really concerned about > election integrity, go sign up to become an election judge in your > precinct.  Secure the vote in your own backyard.  God knows that we > need more people to do this, because the elderly election judges are > resigning in droves because they are intimidated by electronic voting. > We need ethical people to take their place.  Please become one of them. > or sign up to video the vote > http://www.videothevote.org/home.htm > don’t just complain about "the system" being broken.

I work as an IT professional (originally as a mainframe programmer and now as a web designer) and I just don’t understand how something as important as a voting machine can be so f’ed up.  I mean, convenience stores have electronic cash registered with touch sensitive screens that work better than these voting machines. What these voting machines basically are is fancy adding machines with a counter for each selection.  Programming a counter is one of the most basic pieces of logic in programming outside of IF/ELSE statements. Who is building and programming these things?  If I turned in a project as screwed up as these machines that are built for such a critical task, my ass would be fired.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to > > > Democratic? Or are there? > > <insert quip about liberal media here> > there are some very strange political ads in our local paper of late. > It seems our local candidates are trying to position themselves as > being more Christian than thou and less corrupt than thou and not a one > mentions which political party they belong to. There was even one ad > that supported no one but merely said Jesus didn’t belong to a > political party. Let me tell you, for here – that’s a turning of the > lake. There is no place more conservative than here. > I think the camera idea is a good one, not only for the machines but to > record the election judges. Last election an Iraq 1 war veteran got in > a heap of trouble because he used his cell phone in the voting room to > call him mom to remind her to vote. A fight ensued because the judged > pushed him and this poor guy is waiting for trial. If someone had been > video taping there would be no trial. His main problem was that he was > hispanic, wearing a Che muscle shirt (which showed his marine tatoos). > The 70 year old white judge didn’t like the looks of him. > Anyway  if any of you, even you righties, are really concerned about > election integrity, go sign up to become an election judge in your > precinct.  Secure the vote in your own backyard.  God knows that we > need more people to do this, because the elderly election judges are > resigning in droves because they are intimidated by electronic voting. > We need ethical people to take their place.  Please become one of them. > or sign up to video the vote > http://www.videothevote.org/home.htm > don’t just complain about "the system" being broken. > I work as an IT professional (originally as a mainframe programmer and > now as a web designer) and I just don’t understand how something as > important as a voting machine can be so f’ed up.  I mean, convenience > stores have electronic cash registered with touch sensitive screens > that work better than these voting machines. > What these voting machines basically are is fancy adding machines with > a counter for each selection.  Programming a counter is one of the most > basic pieces of logic in programming outside of IF/ELSE statements. > Who is building and programming these things?  If I turned in a project > as screwed up as these machines that are built for such a critical > task, my ass would be fired.

But the voting machines are rigged for a reason and there has yet to be a report that ANY glitch caused a democratic candidate to receive more votes than they were supposed to get. It’s always the republican candidate that benefits from the machine "errors". But I have what I think is the perfect simple solution: 1 The presidential election day should be a national holiday and there should be a country-wide uniform voting standard as well as for the mid term elections of Congress. 2 No matter what time zone, all voting should start and end simultaneously. This is so the media can’t prematurely predict the election which does affect the outcome since some folks will not bother to vote if they think their candidate is either way ahead or losing badly. 3 A simple paper receipt that the voter can inspect and verify if their votes were recorded correctly then inserted into a box in case of a needed recount due to any malfunctioning voting machines or alleged improprieties. 4 Of course have nonpartisan inspectors or representives of both political parties present during the voting process and the counting process to verify the validity of totals.

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>But the voting machines are rigged for a reason and there has yet >to be a report that ANY glitch caused a democratic candidate >to receive more votes than they were supposed to get. It’s always >the republican candidate that benefits from the machine "errors".

Oh come on, what proof do you have that ONLY rep’s do this. or, in fact, it is done on the scale of past..or at all. >But I have what I think is the perfect simple solution: >1 The presidential election day should be a national holiday >and there should be a country-wide uniform voting standard >as well as for the mid term elections of Congress.

GREAT IDEA.  Maybe more people would vote.  Make it a PAID holiday. >2 No matter what time zone, all voting should start and end >simultaneously. This is so the media can’t prematurely >predict the election which does affect the outcome since >some folks will not bother to vote if they think their candidate >is either way ahead or losing badly.

That might be a little harder, how about no media results till all the polls close?  Fair to all.  Make up ya OWN minds. >3 A simple paper receipt that the voter can inspect and >verify if their votes were recorded correctly then inserted into >a box in case of a needed recount due to any malfunctioning >voting machines or alleged improprieties.

yep.  Or at the very least, a paper receipt each voter gets.? >4 Of course have nonpartisan inspectors or representives of >both political parties present during the voting process and >the counting process to verify the validity of totals.

Yes, nopartisan being the key word.. JJTj

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to >>> Democratic? Or are there? >> <insert quip about liberal media here> > there are some very strange political ads in our local paper of late. > It seems our local candidates are trying to position themselves as > being more Christian than thou and less corrupt than thou and not a one > mentions which political party they belong to. There was even one ad > that supported no one but merely said Jesus didn’t belong to a > political party. Let me tell you, for here – that’s a turning of the > lake. There is no place more conservative than here. > I think the camera idea is a good one, not only for the machines but to > record the election judges. Last election an Iraq 1 war veteran got in > a heap of trouble because he used his cell phone in the voting room to > call him mom to remind her to vote. A fight ensued because the judged > pushed him and this poor guy is waiting for trial. If someone had been > video taping there would be no trial. His main problem was that he was > hispanic, wearing a Che muscle shirt (which showed his marine tatoos). > The 70 year old white judge didn’t like the looks of him. > Anyway  if any of you, even you righties, are really concerned about > election integrity, go sign up to become an election judge in your > precinct.  Secure the vote in your own backyard.  God knows that we > need more people to do this, because the elderly election judges are > resigning in droves because they are intimidated by electronic voting. > We need ethical people to take their place.  Please become one of them. > or sign up to video the vote > http://www.videothevote.org/home.htm > don’t just complain about "the system" being broken. > I work as an IT professional (originally as a mainframe programmer and > now as a web designer) and I just don’t understand how something as > important as a voting machine can be so f’ed up.  I mean, convenience > stores have electronic cash registered with touch sensitive screens > that work better than these voting machines. > What these voting machines basically are is fancy adding machines with > a counter for each selection.  Programming a counter is one of the most > basic pieces of logic in programming outside of IF/ELSE statements. > Who is building and programming these things?  If I turned in a project > as screwed up as these machines that are built for such a critical > task, my ass would be fired.

Money is important, people are not. At a certain age you come to realize that all else is hypocrisy to keep the mass of people silent, fat, drinking, smoking, and watching sitcoms. Shhhhh-

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> I work as an IT professional (originally as a mainframe programmer and > now as a web designer) and I just don’t understand how something as > important as a voting machine can be so f’ed up.  I mean, convenience > stores have electronic cash registered with touch sensitive screens > that work better than these voting machines.

I’ve worked, primarily on hard real-time safety mitigated systems, for over 25 years.  If we screw up, people are injured or die; hardware is damaged or destroyed.  That said, my colleges and I now work full time trying to mitigate the damage done by offshoring to China and India.  Based on the engineering nonsense we wade through every day, I’m convinced that these countries are running engineering diploma mills (and that the absolute bottom of the class are working on the shit we attempt to mitigate).  This nonsense is coming to products you depend on *soon*. If the engineering of the voting machines was offshored, I’m amazed if they do anything thing more than appear to work… > What these voting machines basically are is fancy adding machines with > a counter for each selection.  Programming a counter is one of the most > basic pieces of logic in programming outside of IF/ELSE statements. > Who is building and programming these things?  If I turned in a project > as screwed up as these machines that are built for such a critical > task, my ass would be fired.

Each and every day, we deal with cabbage that is completely unworthy of the title "Engineer"; but we can’t cut this cancer from the dying body. If we could, we would.  Offshoring is the solution favored by incompetent (and abjectly unaccountable) management… Again, this is coming to critical products you depend on.  You will not be happy when you are forced to realize it has arrived…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Why are there no reports of Republican votes being changed to > > > Democratic? Or are there? > > <insert quip about liberal media here> > there are some very strange political ads in our local paper of late. > It seems our local candidates are trying to position themselves as > being more Christian than thou and less corrupt than thou and not a one > mentions which political party they belong to. There was even one ad > that supported no one but merely said Jesus didn’t belong to a > political party. Let me tell you, for here – that’s a turning of the > lake. There is no place more conservative than here. > I think the camera idea is a good one, not only for the machines but to > record the election judges. Last election an Iraq 1 war veteran got in > a heap of trouble because he used his cell phone in the voting room to > call him mom to remind her to vote. A fight ensued because the judged > pushed him and this poor guy is waiting for trial. If someone had been > video taping there would be no trial. His main problem was that he was > hispanic, wearing a Che muscle shirt (which showed his marine tatoos). > The 70 year old white judge didn’t like the looks of him. > Anyway  if any of you, even you righties, are really concerned about > election integrity, go sign up to become an election judge in your > precinct.  Secure the vote in your own backyard.  God knows that we > need more people to do this, because the elderly election judges are > resigning in droves because they are intimidated by electronic voting. > We need ethical people to take their place.  Please become one of them. > or sign up to video the vote > http://www.videothevote.org/home.htm > don’t just complain about "the system" being broken. > I work as an IT professional (originally as a mainframe programmer and > now as a web designer) and I just don’t understand how something as > important as a voting machine can be so f’ed up.  I mean, convenience > stores have electronic cash registered with touch sensitive screens > that work better than these voting machines. > What these voting machines basically are is fancy adding machines with > a counter for each selection.  Programming a counter is one of the most > basic pieces of logic in programming outside of IF/ELSE statements. > Who is building and programming these things?  If I turned in a project > as screwed up as these machines that are built for such a critical > task, my ass would be fired.

It is designed to work the way it does. That’s the whole point.  And it’s not a matter of Dems or Reps – it’s a matter of who controls the machines.  In fact the entire issue is control and who has it.

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… > Again, this is coming to critical products you depend on.  You will not > be happy when you are forced to realize it has arrived…

well – this we can agree on.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->But the voting machines are rigged for a reason and there has yet >to be a report that ANY glitch caused a democratic candidate >to receive more votes than they were supposed to get. It’s always >the republican candidate that benefits from the machine "errors". > Oh come on, what proof do you have that ONLY rep’s do this. > or, in fact, it is done on the scale of past..or at all. >But I have what I think is the perfect simple solution: >1 The presidential election day should be a national holiday >and there should be a country-wide uniform voting standard >as well as for the mid term elections of Congress. > GREAT IDEA.  Maybe more people would vote.  Make it a PAID holiday. >2 No matter what time zone, all voting should start and end >simultaneously. This is so the media can’t prematurely >predict the election which does affect the outcome since >some folks will not bother to vote if they think their candidate >is either way ahead or losing badly. > That might be a little harder, how about no media results > till all the polls close?  Fair to all.  Make up ya OWN minds. >3 A simple paper receipt that the voter can inspect and >verify if their votes were recorded correctly then inserted into >a box in case of a needed recount due to any malfunctioning >voting machines or alleged improprieties. > yep.  Or at the very least, a paper receipt each voter gets.? >4 Of course have nonpartisan inspectors or representives of >both political parties present during the voting process and >the counting process to verify the validity of totals. > Yes, nopartisan being the key word..

Does anyone remember when the Russians offered to be observers at our polls? In some countries it’s against the law to not vote. Compulsory suffrage is a system where those who are eligible to vote are required by law to do so. Australia is an example of a country practising this form of suffrage. New Zealand was the first country to grant limited universal suffrage in 1893. Finland was the first European country to grant universal suffrage to its citizens in 1906, and the first country to make every citizen eligible to run for parliament. So much for our being world leaders on the subject of sufferage. In the United States, suffrage is determined by the individual states, not federally. There is no national "right to vote". The states and the people have changed the U.S. Constitution five times to disallow states from limiting suffrage, thereby expanding it. 15th Amendment (1870): no law may restrict any race from voting 19th Amendment (1920): no law may restrict any sex from voting 23rd Amendment (1961): residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President 24th Amendment (1964): neither Congress nor the states may condition the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll tax or other type of tax 26th Amendment (1971): no law may restrict those above 18 years of age from voting More reasons I find it ironic that we are killing so many people in order to bring them democracy.

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This is why Republicans can’t do anything right. This is why everything they touch turns to crap. Because they are idiots. Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence. "Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?" I asked him a few weeks ago. Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: "One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, different families or something." To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. "Now that you’ve explained it to me," he replied, "what occurs to me is that it makes what we’re doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole area." This idiot isn’t some backbencher. He’s the vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This is why Republicans can’t do anything right. This is why everything > they touch turns to crap. > Because they are idiots. > Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who > is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical > and tactical intelligence. > "Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?" I asked him > a few weeks ago. > Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: > "One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest > with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, > different families or something." > To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him > briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet > Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the > rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. "Now that you’ve explained it > to me," he replied, "what occurs to me is that it makes what we’re > doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole > area."

source http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/opinion/17stein.html?_r=1&oref=slogin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This idiot isn’t some backbencher. He’s the vice chairman of the House > intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

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"This year’s election offers the chance… to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money." "…we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves." – The Republican "Contract With America"

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> "This year’s election offers the chance… to bring to the House a new > majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic > change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, > and too easy with the public’s money." > "…we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see > the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of > scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people > govern themselves." > – The Republican "Contract With America"

Wasn’t there also some wording in that contract stating that those who signed the document would retire from office if they did NOT fulfill the contract? Frickin’ liars.

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "This year’s election offers the chance… to bring to the House a new >> majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic >> change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, >> and too easy with the public’s money." >> "…we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see >> the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of >> scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people >> govern themselves." >> – The Republican "Contract With America" >Wasn’t there also some wording in that contract stating >that those who signed the document would retire from >office if they did NOT fulfill the contract? >No, but it’s fun watching you make it up as you go along.

It’s better than pictures of you wearing makeup >Frickin’ liars.

– Ken Wilson

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don’t make me post it. Term limits of 12 years is what they promised. Oh Newt where are thou? The Contract with America was a document released by the Republican Party of the United States during the 1994 Congressional election campaign. Largely written by Representative Richard Armey, and in part using text from former President Ronald Reagan’s 1985 State of the Union Address, the Contract detailed the actions that the Republicans promised to take if they became the majority party in the United States House of Representatives for the first time in forty years. Many of the Contract’s policy ideas originated at The Heritage Foundation, an influential conservative think-tank. The Contract with America was introduced six weeks before the 1994 Congressional election, the first midterm election of President Bill Clinton’s Administration, and was signed by all but two of the Republican members of the House, and all of the Party’s non-incumbent Republican Congressional candidates. The Contract’s actual text was a list of actions the Republicans promised to take if they were in the majority following the election. During the construction of the Contract, Gingrich insisted on "60% issues", meaning that the Contract avoided making promises on more controversial and divisive issues, such as abortion or school prayer. According to Lou Cannon, more than half of its text was taken verbatim from Reagan’s 1985 State of the Union Address. The promises were a conservative wish-list, made up of two parts. The text of the contract was mostly written by Congressman Dick Armey. [edit] Government reform On the first day of their majority, the Republicans promised to hold floor votes on eight reforms of government operations: require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress; select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse; cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third; limit the terms of all committee chairs; ban the casting of proxy votes in committee; require committee meetings to be open to the public; require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase; and implement a zero base-line budgeting process for the annual Federal Budget. The Contract had promised ten bills to implement major reform of the Federal Government. When the 104th Congress assembled in January 1995, the Republican majority sought to implement the Contract. In some cases (e.g. The National Security Restoration Act and The Personal Responsibility Act), the proposed bills were accomplished by a single act analogous to that which had been proposed in the Contract; in other cases (e.g. The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act), a proposed bill’s provisions were split up across multiple acts. Most of the bills died in the Senate…. – wiki As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives. That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print. This year’s election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family. Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves. On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government: FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress; SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse; THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third; FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs; FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee; SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public; SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase; EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting. Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny. To help you out, here are the names of the Representatives who made this promise: Charles Bass, NH-02 Steve Chabot, OH-01 Tom Davis, VA-11 Mark Foley, FL-16 Rodney Frelinghuysen, NJ-11 Gil Gutknecht, MN-01 Doc Hastings, WA-04 J.D. Hayworth, AZ-08 John Hostettler, IN-09 Walter Jones, NC-03 Sue Kelly, NY-19 Ray LaHood, IL-18 Tom Latham, IA-04 Steven LaTourette, OH-14 Sue Myrick, NC-09 Robert Ney, OH-18 Charlie Norwood, GA-09 George Radanovich, CA-19 John Shadegg, AZ-03 Mac Thornberry, TX-13 Todd Tiahrt, KS-04 Dave Weldon, FL-15 Jerry Weller, IL-11 Ed Whitfield, KY-01 Roger Wicker, MS-01 Here are the senators elected that year who made the same pledge: Mike DeWine, OH Jon Kyl, AZ Rick Santorum, PA Olympia Snowe, ME Craig Thomas, WY All of these Republican Contract With America candidates are seeking re

"This year’s election offers the chance… to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money." "…we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves." – The Republican "Contract With America"

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> "This year’s election offers the chance… to bring to the House a new > majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic > change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, > and too easy with the public’s money." > "…we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see > the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of > scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people > govern themselves." > – The Republican "Contract With America"

Wasn’t there also some wording in that contract stating that those who signed the document would retire from office if they did NOT fulfill the contract? Frickin’ liars.

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "This year’s election offers the chance… to bring to the House a new >> majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic >> change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, >> and too easy with the public’s money." >> "…we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see >> the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of >> scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people >> govern themselves." >> – The Republican "Contract With America" >Wasn’t there also some wording in that contract stating >that those who signed the document would retire from >office if they did NOT fulfill the contract? >No, but it’s fun watching you make it up as you go along.

It’s better than pictures of you wearing makeup >Frickin’ liars.

– Ken Wilson

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don’t make me post it. Term limits of 12 years is what they promised. Oh Newt where are thou? The Contract with America was a document released by the Republican Party of the United States during the 1994 Congressional election campaign. Largely written by Representative Richard Armey, and in part using text from former President Ronald Reagan’s 1985 State of the Union Address, the Contract detailed the actions that the Republicans promised to take if they became the majority party in the United States House of Representatives for the first time in forty years. Many of the Contract’s policy ideas originated at The Heritage Foundation, an influential conservative think-tank. The Contract with America was introduced six weeks before the 1994 Congressional election, the first midterm election of President Bill Clinton’s Administration, and was signed by all but two of the Republican members of the House, and all of the Party’s non-incumbent Republican Congressional candidates. The Contract’s actual text was a list of actions the Republicans promised to take if they were in the majority following the election. During the construction of the Contract, Gingrich insisted on "60% issues", meaning that the Contract avoided making promises on more controversial and divisive issues, such as abortion or school prayer. According to Lou Cannon, more than half of its text was taken verbatim from Reagan’s 1985 State of the Union Address. The promises were a conservative wish-list, made up of two parts. The text of the contract was mostly written by Congressman Dick Armey. [edit] Government reform On the first day of their majority, the Republicans promised to hold floor votes on eight reforms of government operations: require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress; select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse; cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third; limit the terms of all committee chairs; ban the casting of proxy votes in committee; require committee meetings to be open to the public; require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase; and implement a zero base-line budgeting process for the annual Federal Budget. The Contract had promised ten bills to implement major reform of the Federal Government. When the 104th Congress assembled in January 1995, the Republican majority sought to implement the Contract. In some cases (e.g. The National Security Restoration Act and The Personal Responsibility Act), the proposed bills were accomplished by a single act analogous to that which had been proposed in the Contract; in other cases (e.g. The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act), a proposed bill’s provisions were split up across multiple acts. Most of the bills died in the Senate…. – wiki As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives. That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print. This year’s election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family. Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves. On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government: FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress; SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse; THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third; FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs; FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee; SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public; SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase; EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting. Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny. To help you out, here are the names of the Representatives who made this promise: Charles Bass, NH-02 Steve Chabot, OH-01 Tom Davis, VA-11 Mark Foley, FL-16 Rodney Frelinghuysen, NJ-11 Gil Gutknecht, MN-01 Doc Hastings, WA-04 J.D. Hayworth, AZ-08 John Hostettler, IN-09 Walter Jones, NC-03 Sue Kelly, NY-19 Ray LaHood, IL-18 Tom Latham, IA-04 Steven LaTourette, OH-14 Sue Myrick, NC-09 Robert Ney, OH-18 Charlie Norwood, GA-09 George Radanovich, CA-19 John Shadegg, AZ-03 Mac Thornberry, TX-13 Todd Tiahrt, KS-04 Dave Weldon, FL-15 Jerry Weller, IL-11 Ed Whitfield, KY-01 Roger Wicker, MS-01 Here are the senators elected that year who made the same pledge: Mike DeWine, OH Jon Kyl, AZ Rick Santorum, PA Olympia Snowe, ME Craig Thomas, WY All of these Republican Contract With America candidates are seeking re

Just channel flipping and O’Reilly is interviewing Pages and they show a picture of Mark Foley and it says: Mark Foley (D- Florida) Update II: Bradblog has the graphic! Here’s the link to his blog: Bradblog’s screenshot of Foley labeled (D-FL) on O’reilly the slimebag’s show http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3570

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> Just channel flipping and O’Reilly is interviewing Pages and they show > a picture of Mark Foley and it says: > Mark Foley (D- Florida) > Update II: Bradblog has the graphic! Here’s the link to his blog: > Bradblog’s screenshot of Foley labeled (D-FL) on O’reilly the > slimebag’s show > http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3570

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/4/22756/3378 Rove’s phone call to Ailes; re: MARK FOLEY (D-FL) by Bob Johnson Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:27:56 PM PDT FOX’s continued use of the (D-FL) tag under pictures and video of Mark Foley lets you know exactly how panicked Rove is about losing the base.  After all, who watches FOX News except for the hardcore Bush-o-philes? My source in the White House slipped a transcript of a phone call Rove made to Roger Ailes, head of FOX News, last Friday just as the scandal was starting to pick up steam. Read on for the startling dialogue…   a.. Bob Johnson’s diary :: ::   b..   ROVE: Roger, you gotta’ help me out here.   AILES: Anything, Karl, you know that.   ROVE: Okay, I–   AILES: Well, I mean anything in the sense that I can use the network to help you.   ROVE: Look, Rog, I’ve forgotten all about that night.  It was a one time thing.  For both of us.   AILES: Yeah…   ROVE: Anyway, this Foley thing could really kill us with the fundies.  I mean, they are quickly figuring out that we covered for a queer pervert who molested boys just to extort money to funnel into other congressional races.   AILES: Brilliant plan, Karl, like so much of your work.  And just to make clear: I’m not gay.   ROVE: Me neither.  Anyway, you know how fucking stupid these fundies are…   AILES: Abso-fucking-lutely! They thought Terri Schiavo was coming back to life!   [LOUD LAUGHTER FROM ROVE AND AILES]   ROVE: Well, here’s what I’m thinking…   AILES: Go ahead.  I’m all ears.  Just don’t grab `em and pull my head down to your crotch!   ROVE: [LAUGHING] Did I hurt you last time?   AILES: Shut up. I think I bugged my own phone last week, but I was too drunk to remember if I really did it.  Go on…   ROVE: Okay, here’s the plan.  Keep running photos and video of Foley but instead of putting the tag "R dash FL" for "Republican-Florida" under his picture, put "D dash FL" for "Democrat-Florida."   AILES: I… I don’t…   ROVE: The fundies will think Foley is a Democrat!   AILES: Holy fucking shit!  That’s genius!   ROVE: Of course!   AILES Those dumbfucks will really believe Foley is a Democrat!   ROVE: It’s on FOX News!   AILES: So it must be true!   ROVE: Exactly.   AILES: And that will make them turn out more, not less.   ROVE: Nevermind the work they do in get-out-the-vote.   AILES: Damn.  You’re good.   ROVE: Next time you see me, you can kiss my pinky ring.   AILES: You put a ring on it now?   ROVE: My baby finger, Rog, not my Karl Column.   AILES: I love that you’ve named your thing.   ROVE: Luntz ran a focus group and came up with it.   AILES: Among the male pages?   ROVE: Wait, did you or did you not bug your phone?   [AILES AND ROVE LAUGH]   AILES: Fuck if I know.  I was trashed.   ROVE: So, FOLEY dash D dash FL.   AILES: Got it.  Consider it done.  And kick your boss in the nuts for me and tell him he’s the dumbest fuck on the planet.   ROVE: I do that everyday.   [ROVE AND AILES LAUGH, THEN HANG UP]

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NRCC head Tom Reynolds’ chief of staff confirms: the House leadership was told repeatedly of Foley’s problems, two years ago. AP, via Think Progress: A senior congressional aide said Wednesday that he alerted the House Speaker Dennis Hastert’s office in 2004 about worrisome conduct by former Rep. Mark Foley with teenage pages — the earliest known alert to the GOP leadership. Kirk Fordham told The Associated Press that when he was told about Foley’s inappropriate behavior toward pages, he had "more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest level of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene." The conversations took place long before the e-mail scandal broke, Fordham said, and at least a year earlier than members of the House GOP leadership have acknowledged. Fordham was forced to resign today as NRCC head Tom Reynolds chief of staff — the most immediate impetus seems to be his attempts to kill the story and protect Foley as late as last Friday. As Pat Buchanan said on MSNBC when the explosive news broke, now there’s "blood in the water." Now Fordham’s talking, and this is only going to get worse. One thing all parties agree on — the honest conservatives, the dishonest conservatives, the media — is that the GOP leadership is in complete chaos, here. The "honest" conservatives are genuinely infuriated at the betrayal, yet again, of the most basic tenets of ethics and morality, this time right in the very building. The dishonest conservatives are furious at the hamfisted, disasterous responses still happening from Hastert, Reynolds, Boehner, and the others. Hastert has almost no remaining support from any quarter. Strangling big government like it’s a sassy mistress http://webpages.charter.net/micah/strangle.jpg Rep. Don Sherwood U.S. House of Representatives Dear Rep. Sherwood, I understand that you’re having a little trouble raising money from individual donors. My guess is that they may be afraid that you might break into their homes and strangle them. We need to turn that around. One of the things I’ve learned from watching Karl Rove’s campaigns is that you have to turn your weaknesses into strengths while doing the opposite to your opponent. An example of this kind of transformation occurred in 2004, when Mr. Rove remade Our Leader, an AWOL draft avoider, into a war hero and his opponent, a decorated Vietnam veteran, into a coward. You need to do the same kind of thing by turning your penchant for strangling into a selling point. Perhaps you could run ads with tag lines like "Don Sherwood will strangle big government like it’s a sassy mistress" or "Don Sherwood believes in family values, so much so that he’s willing to strangle his mistress in their defense." If that doesn’t work, you might consider playing on a redemption theme with something like, "Don Sherwood: he hasn’t strangled anyone in over sixteen months," or "Don Sherwood: he doesn’t strangle people anymore." It’s a powerful theme. Our Leader continues to use it effectively with his many "I no longer drink; I just fall down a lot" statements. Please give it a try. I’m sure you’ll see some movement in your fundraising. Heterosexually yours, Gen. JC Christian, patriot

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Do it with Nitro paint…it will wear much better~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Losing Afghanistan: The Rise of Jihadistan >     By Ron Moreau, Sami Yousafzai and Michael Hirsh >     Newsweek >     Monday 02 October 2006 Issue >     Five years after the Afghan invasion, the Taliban are fighting back > hard, carving out a sanctuary where they – and al Qaeda’s leaders – can > operate freely. >     You don’t have to drive very far from Kabul these days to find the > Taliban. In Ghazni province’s Andar district, just over a two-hour trip > from the capital on the main southern highway, a thin young man, dressed in > brown and wearing a white prayer cap, stands by the roadside waiting for > two NEWSWEEK correspondents. It is midday on the central Afghan plains, far > from the jihadist-infested mountains to the east and west. Without > speaking, the sentinel guides his visitors along a sandy horse trail toward > a mud-brick village within sight of the highway. As they get closer a young > Taliban fighter carrying a walkie-talkie and an AK-47 rifle pops out from > behind a tree. He is manning an improvised explosive device, he explains, > in case Afghan or US troops try to enter the village. >     In a parched clearing a few hundred yards on, more than 100 Taliban > fighters ranging in age from teenagers to a grandfatherly 55-year-old have > assembled to meet their provincial commander, Muhammad Sabir. An imposing > man with a long, bushy beard, wearing a brown and green turban and a beige > shawl over his shoulders, Sabir inspects his troops, all of them armed with > AKs and rocket-propelled grenade launchers. He claims to have some 900 > fighters, and says the military and psychological tide is turning in their > favor. "One year ago we couldn’t have had such a meeting at midnight," says > Sabir, who is in his mid-40s and looks forward to living out his life as an > anti-American jihadist. "Now we gather in broad daylight. The people know > we are returning to power." >     Not long after NEWSWEEK’s visit, US and Afghan National Army forces > launched a major attack to dislodge the Taliban from Ghazni and four > neighboring provinces. But when NEWSWEEK returned in mid-September, Sabir’s > fighters were back, performing their afternoon prayers. It is an all too > familiar story. Ridge by ridge and valley by valley, the religious zealots > who harbored Osama bin Laden before 9/11 – and who suffered devastating > losses in the US invasion that began five years ago next week – are surging > back into the country’s center. In the countryside over the past year > Taliban guerrillas have filled a power vacuum that had been created by the > relatively light NATO and US military footprint of some 40,000 soldiers, > and by the weakness of Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s administration. >     In Ghazni and in six provinces to the south, and in other hot spots to > the east, Karzai’s government barely exists outside district towns. > Hard-core Taliban forces have filled the void by infiltrating from the > relatively lawless tribal areas of Pakistan where they had fled at the end > of 2001. Once back inside Afghanistan these committed jihadist commanders > and fighters, aided by key sympathizers who had remained behind, have > raised hundreds, if not thousands, of new, local recruits, many for pay. > They feed on the people’s disillusion with the lack of economic progress, > equity and stability that Karzai’s government, NATO, Washington and the > international community had promised. >     NATO officials say the Taliban seems to be flush with cash, thanks to > the guerrillas’ alliance with prosperous opium traffickers. The fighters > are paid more than $5 a day – good money in Afghanistan, and at least twice > what the new Afghan National Army’s 30,000 soldiers receive. It’s a bad > sign, too, that a shortage of local police has led Karzai to approve a plan > allowing local warlords – often traffickers themselves – to rebuild their > private armies. U.N. officials have spent the past three years trying to > disband Afghanistan’s irregular militias, which are accused of widespread > human-rights abuses. Now the warlords can rearm with the government’s > blessing. Afghanistan is "unfortunately well on its way" to becoming a > "narco-state," NATO’s supreme commander, Marine Gen. Jim Jones, said before > Congress last week. >     Jabar Shilghari, one of Ghazni’s members of Parliament, is appalled by > his province’s rapid reversal of fortune. Only a year ago he was freely > stumping for votes throughout the province. Today it’s not safe for him to > return to his own village. In a recent meeting he asked Karzai for more > police and soldiers; he was rebuffed by the deputy director of > intelligence, who told him the Taliban threat in Ghazni is minimal. "We > have patiently waited five years for change, for an end to official > corruption and abuse of power and for economic development," says > Shilghari, who now lives in the increasingly sequestered capital of Kabul. > "But we’ve received nothing." >     Not long ago, the Bush administration was fond of pointing to > Afghanistan as a model of transformation. That mountainous landlocked > country, we were told, was being converted from a "failed state" – Al > Qaeda’s base for the worst ever attacks on US continental soil – into a > functioning, responsible member of the international community. In speech > after speech, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other senior US > officials ticked off the happy stats: the Taliban and Al Qaeda had been > routed, democratic presidential and parliamentary elections had been held, > more than 3 million refugees had returned and 1.75 million girls were > attending school. >     But the harsh truth is that five years after the US invasion on Oct. 7, > 2001, most of the good news is confined to Kabul, with its choking > rush-hour traffic jams, a construction boom and a handful of > air-conditioned shopping malls. Much of the rest of Afghanistan appears to > be failing again. Most worrisome, a new failed-state sanctuary is emerging > across thousands of square miles along the Afghan-Pakistan border: > "Jihadistan," it could be called. It’s an autonomous quasi state of > religious radicals, mostly belonging to Pashtun tribes who don’t recognize > the Afghan-Pakistan frontier – an arbitrary line drawn by the British > colonialists in 1893. The enclave’s fluid borders span a widening belt of > territory from mountainous hideouts in the southernmost provinces of > Afghanistan – Nimruz, Helmand and Farah – up through the agricultural > middle of the country in Ghazni, Uruzgan and Zabul, and then north to > Paktia and parts of Konar. It extends well across the Pakistan border > where, despite close cooperation between the US and Pakistani militaries, > jihadist militants in Waziristan province have begun calling themselves > "Pakistani Taliban." No longer worried about interference from Islamabad, > they openly recruit young men to fight in Afghanistan, and they hold > Islamic kangaroo courts that sometimes stage public executions. >     There are not nearly enough US, Western or Afghan troops or resources > in the field to counter them. At a time when the American president has > resurrected Osama bin Laden as public enemy No. 1 – comparing him recently > to Lenin and Hitler – Bush’s own top commander in the field, Army Lt. Gen. > Karl Eikenberry, says not enough money is being invested in creating a new > Afghanistan. Improving Afghan lives is the only way to drive a stake > through the Taliban or put the elusive Qaeda leader out of action, he says. > "We need more in terms of investment in Afghan infrastructure. We need more > resources, for road building, counternarcotics, good governance, a justice > system," Eikenberry told NEWSWEEK last week. As the general is fond of > saying: "Where the roads end, the Taliban begin." >     Indeed, the aid numbers for the past five years are grim. In the first > years of reconstruction, aid amounted to just $67 a year per Afghan, says > Beth DeGrasse of the government-funded US Institute of Peace. She compares > that figure with other recent nation-building exercises such as Bosnia > ($249) and East Timor ($256), citing figures from the International > Monetary Fund. "You get what you pay for in these endeavors, and we tried > to do Afghanistan on the cheap," she says. "And we are going to pay for > it." International conferences since 2002 have pledged some $15 billion, > but countries have ponied up less than half of that so far. And the Afghan > government estimates it will need $27.5 billion through 2010 to rebuild the > country and its institutions. >     Some critics point to a jarring mismatch between Bush’s rhetoric and > the scant attention paid to Afghanistan. Jim Dobbins, Bush’s former special > envoy to Kabul – he also led the Clinton administration’s rebuilding > efforts in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti and Somalia – calls Afghanistan the "most > under-resourced nation-building effort in history." Former Bush > reconstruction coordinator Carlos Pascual, who retired in December 2005, > does not dispute this assessment. He says the State Department has "maybe > 20 to 30 percent" of the people it needs. Even Republican Sen. Richard > Lugar, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, fretted last week that > for five years the administration and Congress have failed to create a > powerful nation-building czar, despite their enthusiasm for regime change. > "We have a long way to go," he said. >     The dangers of allowing Afghanistan to become a jihadist haven again > are too many to count. It’s not merely that bin Laden and Zawahiri may now > die peacefully in their beds, safe among Pashtun tribesmen, as a senior US > military official conceded to NEWSWEEK last week, speaking anonymously

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Much has happened since the end of the Cold War to show that there is merit in old-school conservatism. It’s hard to imagine 1952 Republican Presidential Candidate Robert Taft going for NAFTA, or thinking it was a good idea to accelerate defense spending despite the Soviet threat finally being debunked. Robert Taft wouldn’t have allowed Ozzy Osbourne, a documented whore for both Satan and Pepsico, into White House functions. If Robert Taft could be exhumed and installed into the Presidency, one might expect Executive orations to look a little less like infomercials for real estate scams. We don’t have Robert Taft anymore. We have the Coca-Cola Cowboy with an MBA. The political lovechild of Buford Pusser and Dave Del Dotto; a savant that knows enough to drawl for the rubes but who sounds downright educated when giving speeches on the other side of the Atlantic. Exhibiting a keen understanding of both the Christian Gospels and "Getting To Yes", W conducts foreign policy by asking himself "What would Jesus do if Jesus were a gunslinger?" Our foreign policy is conservative in no tangible sense. Yet the conservative establishment refuses to point that out. More, more, more, they cry, echoing the recorded sentiments of porn-star turned disco queen Andrea True Connection. They are whores for defense contractors, whores for oil companies, and whores for interests whose exploitation knows no borders or bounds. Meanwhile, they cloak their intentions in the tawdry wrapping paper of "National Greatness Conservatism". May they impale themselves on their flag pins. Because they do not love America enough to see that it very well may be irreparably wrecked. The last two generations of men have seen fit not to raise their children, and the youth coming up understand a "body count" as a video game statistic. The aesthetic of the strip club has found its way into both public schools and church aisles. Everywhere you look, the value of life is diminished by a relentless barrage of nihilism cloaked in noxious sentimentality. "Reasonable people" are discussing using nuclear weapons on a country we bombed, embargoed, and starved into the Third World over the course of the last decade. Their language manages that rare feat, to be at once clinical and pornographic; our policymakers talk of families they are about to decimate with no more feeling than auctioneers used when hawking slaves. Anthony Gancarski is a regular CounterPunch columnist. He can be /site/newsweek

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> http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp

Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of islam, I really dont think it would be too sorely missed, the religion Oh so sorry i insulted islam, please dont blow me up.

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AGA please

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> http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp

Stop peddling your shit around this newsgroup. Do you have nothing better to do with your life than post banal and totally irrelevant crap here. FFS get a life Angof

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> > http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp > Stop peddling your shit around this newsgroup. Do you have nothing better to > do with your life than post banal and totally irrelevant crap here. > FFS get a life

C’mon.  Give ol’ Pat a break.  He can’t figure out why nobody likes him.  He doesn’t know that Pat isn’t short for Patrick in his case. Pathetic is more like it. rct

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> http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp

What a butt pupet! CA

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> > http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp > Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of islam,

there would be some other ideology to complain about. The current powers can’t keep that power without and external emeny with which to unite the rabble.

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> > http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp > What a butt pupet! > CA

yo, expert on butt puppetry, you forgot a pee. (are your puppets hand, finger or string puppets)

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But what are your deeper real honest thoughts? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of christianity, > I really dont think it would be too sorely missed, the religion > Oh so sorry i insulted christians, please dont invade my country and blow me up.

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> > http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp > Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of islam, > there would be some other ideology to complain about. The current > powers can’t keep that power without and external emeny with which to > unite the rabble.

Who fucking cares.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp >> Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of islam, > there would be some other ideology to complain about. The current > powers can’t keep that power without and external emeny with which to > unite the rabble. > Who fucking cares.

Right on! Fuck religion. It’s private. Politics is public. The end.

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> But what are your deeper real honest thoughts? > Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of christianity, > I really dont think it would be too sorely missed, the religion > Oh so sorry i insulted christians, please dont invade my country and blow me up.

Yup, Islam has been so defiled, oppressed, persecuted, hunted, that the only recourse for them is to lash out in ultra violence at any and every thing perceived to be a threat to the expansionist doctrine of one world under allah.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But what are your deeper real honest thoughts? >> Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of christianity, >> I really dont think it would be too sorely missed, the religion >> Oh so sorry i insulted christians, please dont invade my country and > blow me up. > Yup, Christianity has been so defiled, oppressed, persecuted, hunted, that > the only recourse for us is to lash out in ultra violence at Iraq and every > thing perceived to be a threat to the expansionist doctrine of one world > under Jesus. Hey! Let’s sing "My God is an Awesome God" together!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> But what are your deeper real honest thoughts? >>> Well i think if the world suddenly found itself absent of christianity, >>> I really dont think it would be too sorely missed, the religion >>> Oh so sorry i insulted christians, please dont invade my country and > Yup, Christianity has been so defiled, oppressed, persecuted, hunted, > that the only recourse for us is to lash out in ultra violence at Iraq and > everything perceived to be a threat to the expansionist doctrine of one world > under the U.S. $ and the Pentagon. Hey! Let’s sing "My God is an Awesome God" together!

Lyrics: Bass: My God is an awesome God He reigns from heaven above With wisdom power and love Our God is an awesome God Soprano, Alto, and Tenor (come in one round at a time, with each part continuing): Our God is awesome He reigns from heaven With power and wisdom Our God is an awesome God Chorus (with four parts in background): Our God is an awesome God He reigns from heaven above With wisdom power and love Our God is an awesome God Now when He rolled up His sleeves He wasn

I need two 4" speakers and lugs to resurrect some old patio speakers … I can’t find a store locally that has them. The cool wooden speaker cabinets are from a 1950 school room PA system … art deco 6" square framed boxes with a tweed cloth.  The kind I grew up with where the American Flag was hung by, and we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before announcements. Radio Shack will sell you a complete phone kit for the entire family plus lost insurance so when your 1st grader loses their custom one at the playground you can get a replacement. They don’t stock pieces of stuff anymore. Your lucky if find AC/DC adapter but you can order it for home delivery. *HI FI* Component stereos ? Gone. X generation is growing up to a world of MP3 noise with cheap ear phones. Home Electronics ? Gone. Technology break through are pawned out to 3rd world shithole to mass manufacture .. including service skills with it. A friend of mine mentioned once if he gets laid off again from a computer company .. He is going going to get a license for AC home repair. You can’t outsource that. Some day .. when they find a buried soldering iron it will end up in a museum  of some lost culture who built crude devices from electronics. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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well duh what do you think god invented google and the UPS man for?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I need two 4" speakers and lugs to resurrect some old > patio speakers … I can’t find a store > locally that has them. The cool wooden speaker cabinets are > from a 1950 school room PA system … art deco 6" square framed > boxes with a tweed cloth.  The kind I grew up with where > the American Flag was hung by, and we said the Pledge of > Allegiance every morning before announcements. > Radio Shack will sell you a complete phone kit for the entire family > plus lost insurance so when your 1st grader loses their custom one > at the playground you can get a replacement. They don’t stock pieces > of stuff anymore. Your lucky if find AC/DC adapter but you can > order it for home delivery. > *HI FI* Component stereos ? Gone. X generation is growing up to a > world of MP3 noise with cheap ear phones. > Home Electronics ? Gone. Technology break through are pawned out > to 3rd world shithole to mass manufacture .. including > service skills with it. > A friend of mine mentioned once if he gets laid off again from > a computer company .. He is going going to get a license for > AC home repair. You can’t outsource that. > Some day .. when they find a buried soldering iron it will > end up in a museum  of some lost culture who built crude > devices from electronics. > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet > News==—- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > Newsgroups > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

Hi, Not yet, as long as I am alive, LOL! Tony

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http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/?gclid=COeb0uHfn4cCFSFvNAodlhqV4g maybe? product search for 4" speakers returned 200 results.

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crutchfield.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I need two 4" speakers and lugs to resurrect some old > patio speakers … I can’t find a store > locally that has them. The cool wooden speaker cabinets are > from a 1950 school room PA system … art deco 6" square framed > boxes with a tweed cloth.  The kind I grew up with where > the American Flag was hung by, and we said the Pledge of > Allegiance every morning before announcements. > Radio Shack will sell you a complete phone kit for the entire family > plus lost insurance so when your 1st grader loses their custom one > at the playground you can get a replacement. They don’t stock pieces > of stuff anymore. Your lucky if find AC/DC adapter but you can > order it for home delivery. > *HI FI* Component stereos ? Gone. X generation is growing up to a > world of MP3 noise with cheap ear phones. > Home Electronics ? Gone. Technology break through are pawned out > to 3rd world shithole to mass manufacture .. including > service skills with it. > A friend of mine mentioned once if he gets laid off again from > a computer company .. He is going going to get a license for > AC home repair. You can’t outsource that. > Some day .. when they find a buried soldering iron it will > end up in a museum  of some lost culture who built crude > devices from electronics. > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet > News==—- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > Newsgroups > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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> the American Flag was hung by, and we said the Pledge of > Allegiance every morning before announcements.

I remember those days too.  Hard to believe we ever made it through such times, what with the blatant patriotism and gasp…occasional prayer.  Back then you respected the teachers or you found yourself in the hallway getting acquainted with a hard piece of lumber.  Funny I don’t recall any shootings or stabbings in my schools.  Yeah, things were a tad different back then… ef

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>well duh >what do you think god invented google and the UPS man for?

I remember when that speaker announced the death of president JFK. Sad day in the 5th grade…

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> I remember those days too.  Hard to believe we ever made it through such > times, what with the blatant patriotism and gasp…occasional prayer.  Back > then you respected the teachers or you found yourself in the hallway getting > acquainted with a hard piece of lumber.  Funny I don’t recall any shootings > or stabbings in my schools.  Yeah, things were a tad different back then…

Ah, for the days when there were no shootings or stabbings in school. Just adults beating on children with a 2X4. If only more adults would beat children there would be less violence.

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> Ah, for the days when there were no shootings or stabbings in school. > Just adults beating on children with a 2X4. If only more adults would > beat children there would be less violence.

Exactly.  There WAS less violence. ef

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> > Ah, for the days when there were no shootings or stabbings in school. > Just adults beating on children with a 2X4. If only more adults would > beat children there would be less violence. > Exactly.  There WAS less violence. > ef

now don’t get all political on me, but are you sure there was less violence???? I’ve spent a lot of time reading local newspapers from the 20s and there is nothing happening today that didn’t happen then unless it’s done with new technology and more lawyers while larger cameras are watching.

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> what do you think god invented google and the UPS man for?

  Yeah Yeah. I’d rather shop in at a local store and save the UPS expense. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Ah, for the days when there were no shootings or stabbings in school. > > Just adults beating on children with a 2X4. If only more adults would > > beat children there would be less violence. > Exactly.  There WAS less violence. > ef > now don’t get all political on me, but are you sure there was less > violence???? > I’ve spent a lot of time reading local newspapers from the 20s and > there is nothing happening today that didn’t happen then unless it’s > done with new technology and more lawyers while larger cameras are > watching.

Good point. I read newspapers and court records from the early 1800s. Those guys pounded the hell out of each other whenever they got together. Every time the judge came to town for court, most of the men in the community would be up on charges of assault and battery. There was far more interpersonal violence than there is today.  But perhaps when ef was a boy, things were different. Most of my research is in the south, which has always been the most violent region of the country.

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> > what do you think god invented google and the UPS man for? >   Yeah Yeah. I’d rather shop in at a local store and save the UPS expense. > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==—- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

You don’t actually save on shipping because the the store has to pay shippng too which you pay in the price and internet stores generally have a 6% price advantage on account that most of them don’t collect sales tax unless they have interstate locations or they are in your state. And you don’t drive or stand in line. (just saying). I’d rather shop locally too, but this is the reality. Won’t change until they have a national sales tax or force internet stores to collect all state sales taxes. The only thing the store has over the internet is service and touchey feeley. But if they don’t have that (shrug) whatcha gonna do?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Ah, for the days when there were no shootings or stabbings in school. > > > Just adults beating on children with a 2X4. If only more adults would > > > beat children there would be less violence. > > Exactly.  There WAS less violence. > > ef > now don’t get all political on me, but are you sure there was less > violence???? > I’ve spent a lot of time reading local newspapers from the 20s and > there is nothing happening today that didn’t happen then unless it’s > done with new technology and more lawyers while larger cameras are > watching. > Good point. I read newspapers and court records from the early 1800s. > Those guys pounded the hell out of each other whenever they got > together. Every time the judge came to town for court, most of the men > in the community would be up on charges of assault and battery. There > was far more interpersonal violence than there is today.  But perhaps > when ef was a boy, things were different. Most of my research is in the > south, which has always been the most violent region of the country.

Is that true? more violent than the west? Than Texas? I find that hard to believe. I guess it depends on how you measure and whom you measure. Outside of slavery, I thought southerners were right "gentlemanly." There’s a cemetary near here called Baby Head Cemetary (I’ll let your imagination roam), and in a local history there’s a description of a Mason happening upon a fellow down by the creek skinning a Comanche whom he shot dead with the intent of making horse gear out of his skin.  There’s descriptions of kids shooting violent fathers to protect their mothers, and kids robbing banks at gun point. Anyway it was a whole lot easier to get away with murder in the good old days, you just had to be a good shot and ride fast and hard or have the mob on your side.

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> Most of my research is in the > south, which has always been the most violent region of the country. > Is that true? more violent than the west?

Would I lie to you? > Than Texas?

I would include Texas in the south, but YMMV. Certainly east TX is as Deep South as it gets. Remember the James Byrd lynching in Jasper, TX back in the 90s? A half hour south of that is Vidor, TX, which until the early 80s was notorious for a billboard on the freeway that warned [n-word redacted] to be out of town by sunset. > I find that hard > to believe.

Don’t believe anything you read on usenet. Check it out for yourself. > I guess it depends on how you measure and whom you measure.

For recent decades, the Justice Department stats are easily accessible and crunchable. For earlier periods, it takes more intensive archival research. > Outside of slavery, I thought southerners were right "gentlemanly."

The more violent a culture, the more it becomes obsessed with propriety and honor, which then feeds back and causes even more violence. It’s a vicious cycle. The other piece of it is that they were drunk most of the time back then, due to lack of potable water, especially in social situations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There’s a cemetary near here called Baby Head Cemetary (I’ll let your > imagination roam), and in a local history there’s a description of a > Mason happening upon a fellow down by the creek skinning a Comanche > whom he shot dead with the intent of making horse gear out of his skin. >  There’s descriptions of kids shooting violent fathers to protect their > mothers, and kids robbing banks at gun point. Anyway it was a whole lot > easier to get away with murder in the good old days, you just had to be > a good shot and ride fast and hard or have the mob on your side.

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"I need two 4" speakers and lugs to resurrect some old patio speakers .. I can’t find a store locally that has them. " I had seen these from JBL, weren’t exactly what I thought. But you could cut them out of the can and hotrod your boxes for maximum spl and clarity. Have to drill a small hole for the tweet though. Or fix it to the cloth in front of the *woof*. Who says DIY is dead I think they have some bullet tweeters on the sale for $224, you could make those boxes into animal control devices! JBL says they aren’t going to make any more bullets, baby-cheeks, or slot, tweeters. Last call except existing stock and ebay etc! B-stock is returned from customer usually, full warranty Actually something like a Fostex fullranger, would be your best bet from a 6" box! You asked and I was bored! The irony is RadioShack used to sell Fostex stuff under their own lable. $32. a side, and quite possibly a dealer in your greater metroplex area. Or start cracking stuff open at goodwill http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/speaker_comp/pdf/fe103erev2.pdf http://www.madisound.com/fostex.html http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/speaker_comp/line_up_1.shtml 3