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Quite a stretch Libertarius just to prove your belief that the Bible is not the word of God. "We will not all sleep" does not reasonably indicative of the abolishment of all physical death. The wisdom of the verses you have was pretty obvious, I thought, talking about the resurrection. Griz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->===>Originally, Christianity’s founder Saul/Paul of Tarsus >was promising his followers that they would NEVER DIE! >After all, his incarnate savior god Christos "defeated death." >(E.g. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 > "Behold, I tell you a mystery; >we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, >in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; >for the trumpet will sound, and the dead >will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. >For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this >mortal must put on immortality. >But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, >and this mortal will have put on >immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, >"DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in > victory. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY ? >O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING ?" >        The Pauline promise pertains to the abolition of >PHYSICAL DEATH, and his followers no doubt expected >that by symbolically "dying" in his ritual the would indeed >be "resurrected" to a state of no death. >        Of course it was just a sales gimmick and an empty >promise, since they ALL died! Later the Church converted >the Pauline Promise into soul-survival and a "spiritual life" >in "heaven". > Actually he was talking about the resurrection, and how some > Christians will still be alive when the resurrection happens, and > won’t have to see death to become perfected and immortal.

===>Right. It was a selling point. "If you buy my story and stay with me, you will not die because Christos is coming to transform you and take you to heaven." > Therefore > we have no fear of death because we know we will be resurrected to > perfection.

===>He said they would not even die, AND that those who were already dead would be "resurrected".         (And they would all become pieces of a gigantic PI IN THE SKY!)         Libertarius

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >===>Originally, Christianity’s founder Saul/Paul of Tarsus >was promising his followers that they would NEVER DIE! >After all, his incarnate savior god Christos "defeated death." >(E.g. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 > "Behold, I tell you a mystery; >we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, >in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; >for the trumpet will sound, and the dead >will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. >For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this >mortal must put on immortality. >But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, >and this mortal will have put on >immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, >"DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in > victory. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY ? >O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING ?" >        The Pauline promise pertains to the abolition of >PHYSICAL DEATH, and his followers no doubt expected >that by symbolically "dying" in his ritual the would indeed >be "resurrected" to a state of no death. >        Of course it was just a sales gimmick and an empty >promise, since they ALL died! Later the Church converted >the Pauline Promise into soul-survival and a "spiritual life" >in "heaven".

Actually he was talking about the resurrection, and how some Christians will still be alive when the resurrection happens, and won’t have to see death to become perfected and immortal.  Therefore we have no fear of death because we know we will be resurrected to perfection.

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I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your continued posts to alt.christnet.christianlife. I read them daily when I can, and always find them pertinent to where the Holy Spirit is taking me that day. Be encouraged in the Lord! Griz

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===>Originally, Christianity’s founder Saul/Paul of Tarsus was promising his followers that they would NEVER DIE! After all, his incarnate savior god Christos "defeated death." (E.g. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55  "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in  victory. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY ? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING ?"         The Pauline promise pertains to the abolition of PHYSICAL DEATH, and his followers no doubt expected that by symbolically "dying" in his ritual the would indeed be "resurrected" to a state of no death.         Of course it was just a sales gimmick and an empty promise, since they ALL died! Later the Church converted the Pauline Promise into soul-survival and a "spiritual life" in "heaven".         Libertarius – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Devotional Guide > For the week of February 10, 2002 > Team Play in the Kingdom of Christ > Why does the road to heaven go through another’s grave? > To Read: Numbers 16-18 > To Know: > "For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit > again to a yoke of slavery." (Galatians 5:1) > Why must I go to heaven through an ancient Palestinian grave? Why is the > death of Jesus Christ central to my salvation? The answer lies in the > purpose of God in doing his saving work. > At the turn of the 19th century it was decided to build a new road from > Newburyport to Boston. This would be the super highway of the day. The > thoroughfare was designed as a beeline. The road would go from city to city > a straight as a die. To achieve their purpose this turnpike would need to > traverse the Newbury marshes. Marshland is not conducive to supporting a > roadbed. Three times the toll road sunk into the great salt swamp before the > builders succeeded in keeping it in place. It was the purpose to make the > road dead straight that necessitated conquering the marsh. > The reason that the way to heaven passes through Jesus grave lies in the > purpose of God to set sinners free. Freedom in Christ is the death of the > sinful nature. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. When > the lamb of God made himself a substitute for sinners the plan was to bury > our guilt in his grave. If our faith is in Christ then we have died to the > law and are free to follow in his steps. > To Do: > Freedom is the liberty to be what God meant us to be. If we know that Jesus > death counts as ours, then we are free to live in the way that God commands. > To Read: > Saturday:  Numbers 19-21 > Sunday:  Numbers 22-24

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Devotional Guide For the week of February 10, 2002 Team Play in the Kingdom of Christ Why does the road to heaven go through another’s grave? To Read: Numbers 16-18 To Know: "For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." (Galatians 5:1) Why must I go to heaven through an ancient Palestinian grave? Why is the death of Jesus Christ central to my salvation? The answer lies in the purpose of God in doing his saving work. At the turn of the 19th century it was decided to build a new road from Newburyport to Boston. This would be the super highway of the day. The thoroughfare was designed as a beeline. The road would go from city to city a straight as a die. To achieve their purpose this turnpike would need to traverse the Newbury marshes. Marshland is not conducive to supporting a roadbed. Three times the toll road sunk into the great salt swamp before the builders succeeded in keeping it in place. It was the purpose to make the road dead straight that necessitated conquering the marsh. The reason that the way to heaven passes through Jesus grave lies in the purpose of God to set sinners free. Freedom in Christ is the death of the sinful nature. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. When the lamb of God made himself a substitute for sinners the plan was to bury our guilt in his grave. If our faith is in Christ then we have died to the law and are free to follow in his steps. To Do: Freedom is the liberty to be what God meant us to be. If we know that Jesus death counts as ours, then we are free to live in the way that God commands. To Read: Saturday:  Numbers 19-21 Sunday:  Numbers 22-24

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