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>:/This NG is not for all people according to Annie B. and asociates!!!!! >:/So this NG should be under a new name because it can’t support all >:/who need help. how can yall reach out and kick butt all at the same time??? >:/cwcares
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->:/ >:/> I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays >:/> and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must >:/> assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too >:/> must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest >:/> by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me >:/> with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me >:/> understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram >:/> discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the >:/> meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M >:/> costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate >:/> anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass >:/> but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on >:/> others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna >:/>
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You know, I don’t understand your post at all. Is it that people need to be named as welcome? Have you gotten posts saying you’re not welcome? I don’t recall seeing any. BTW, there is no owner of the group. People can come and go as they please. This is the second such post I’ve read in the last 30 minutes, and frankly it irritates me. If you want to feel welcome, post a different kind of post. Not like this. Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->:/I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays >:/and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must >:/assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too >:/must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest >:/by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me >:/with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me >:/understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram >:/discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the >:/meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M >:/costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate >:/anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass >:/but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on >:/others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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Annie, I know your apology was sincere and your intention was not to hurt Sue. I just meant to point out to *everyone* that we can make mistakes by not watching the threads. I want to let you know that I was not slamming YOU! Lily Women do come with instructions….ask them! *delete what Tiggers do best from my address to send e-mail to me*
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Annie B. Don’t you Go anywere !!! Hang on !!! cw cares – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sue, > You are absolutely right; however, I have refrained from responding to anything > Spiggy has written in weeks. Heck, I haven’t even read most of them; but as I > said somewhere else today, yesterday burned my shorts. The stress had been > building, and I had to let it out. I am tired of being flamed by him whenever I > say anything. I don’t like his finger-wagging condescending attitude about what > I said which wasn’t even directed to him. He butted in where he had no business > being. > I agree that if no one ever responded to his digs, he’d get tired of not being > the center of attention and would go away. Somehow he manages to get in a jab > in every post he makes, and then closes them with something like Happy New Year > or Best Wishes or some other salutation that carries no meaning when it has > followed jab and jab in his posts and which is there in an attempt to > ingratiate himself with the group. > Why is it that everyone is quiet about anybody’s rising to the bait until I get > to the point I can no longer take it and rise to the bait and slam the baiter? > I have tried to be a good citizen on this NG. I do not criticize anybody just > for the thrill of criticism. I do not include a dig in every post I make. I > have tried to encourage, defend, and give my outlook when I can add something > to a thread. I have tried to give back because I have received so much from the > good people here. > Ah, perhaps I am the problem. If that is the case, I will try to live without > this group and get on with my life without it. > Annie B. > Annie and all, > Can’t you see that it’s just like fish rising to the bait? Spiggy or JBH or > CW or whoever posts something outrageous expecting a response, so what do we > do…..we give it to them. This is usenet folks. We don’t have to respond > to anybody! So what if they say something bad about you. If we all try to > let it go, I’m sure that anyone who is an irritant now will either become a > functioning member of this group or if that is not their intention, they > will go find others to give them attention. > <<snipped>>
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>Sue, >I must apologize to you. >My response to this post was not meant to flame you. I started answering it, >and all of my frustrations rose to the top. I should have started a new >thread >with a different title. This was not directed solely at you. >Annie B.
This has been happening way too much lately. We get in a hurry, we don’t realise that a flame war is going in just about every thread, and we end up flaming someone who didn’t deserve it or someone who posted in the same thread thinks that they are being flamed. I am not out to slam anyone for this…..but ladies and gentlemen….let us not forget to watch our threads!!! Do not be afraid to change the header or start a new thread entirely. Especially when dealing with someone who has been unpopoular….change the header on the thread….leave their post all by itself. Then it will be more likely that those who crave the attention they get by posting unpopular opinions {can you see I am trying to avoid the "T" word?} will eventually realise they are being ignored and go away. Please everyone, can we try this? Lily Women do come with instructions….ask them! *delete what Tiggers do best from my address to send e-mail to me*
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Lily, I threaded onto Sue’s post because it was addressed to me. It was after I sent my response that I realized it sounded like I was slamming Sue, and that was certainly not my intent. I was addressing anyone to whom it applied. I realized my error and apologized to her as I should have done. The apology was sincere. Annie B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This has been happening way too much lately. We get in a hurry, we don’t > realise that a flame war is going in just about every thread, and we end up > flaming someone who didn’t deserve it or someone who posted in the same > thread thinks that they are being flamed. > I am not out to slam anyone for this…..but ladies and gentlemen….let us > not forget to watch our threads!!! Do not be afraid to change the header or > start a new thread entirely. Especially when dealing with someone who has > been unpopoular….change the header on the thread….leave their post all > by itself. Then it will be more likely that those who crave the attention > they get by posting unpopular opinions {can you see I am trying to avoid the > "T" word?} will eventually realise they are being ignored and go away. > Please everyone, can we try this? > Lily > Women do come with instructions….ask them! > *delete what Tiggers do best from my address to send e-mail to me*
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Sue, I must apologize to you. My response to this post was not meant to flame you. I started answering it, and all of my frustrations rose to the top. I should have started a new thread with a different title. This was not directed solely at you. Annie B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Annie and all, > Can’t you see that it’s just like fish rising to the bait? Spiggy or JBH or > CW or whoever posts something outrageous expecting a response, so what do we > do…..we give it to them. This is usenet folks. We don’t have to respond > to anybody! So what if they say something bad about you. If we all try to > let it go, I’m sure that anyone who is an irritant now will either become a > functioning member of this group or if that is not their intention, they > will go find others to give them attention. > I certainly don’t know any of these new people, but I think there may be > some people in need among them. Even the most irritating may be in pain and > unable to express him/herself in the ways we have learned over the years. > And heck, this is MY group. I’m not about to move out because some dipstick > is flamming me. I don’t need any of you standing up for me here either. If > you do, they will get the attention they crave. Silence speaks louder than > flames. > What do you do if your three year old is misbehaving? If you beat the > child, he/she will grow up into a monster. If you ignore the inappropriate > behavior and kindly stress what is correct, change can occur. Not that it > will with people whose sole purpose is to stir up trouble. We might > actually rehabilitate a number who have really come here for help but got > caught in something beyond their control. And for the others who are not so > well intentioned ? We can ignore these ill-mannered people all the same. > Sue
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Sue, You are absolutely right; however, I have refrained from responding to anything Spiggy has written in weeks. Heck, I haven’t even read most of them; but as I said somewhere else today, yesterday burned my shorts. The stress had been building, and I had to let it out. I am tired of being flamed by him whenever I say anything. I don’t like his finger-wagging condescending attitude about what I said which wasn’t even directed to him. He butted in where he had no business being. I agree that if no one ever responded to his digs, he’d get tired of not being the center of attention and would go away. Somehow he manages to get in a jab in every post he makes, and then closes them with something like Happy New Year or Best Wishes or some other salutation that carries no meaning when it has followed jab and jab in his posts and which is there in an attempt to ingratiate himself with the group. Why is it that everyone is quiet about anybody’s rising to the bait until I get to the point I can no longer take it and rise to the bait and slam the baiter? I have tried to be a good citizen on this NG. I do not criticize anybody just for the thrill of criticism. I do not include a dig in every post I make. I have tried to encourage, defend, and give my outlook when I can add something to a thread. I have tried to give back because I have received so much from the good people here. Ah, perhaps I am the problem. If that is the case, I will try to live without this group and get on with my life without it. Annie B. > Annie and all, > Can’t you see that it’s just like fish rising to the bait? Spiggy or JBH or > CW or whoever posts something outrageous expecting a response, so what do we > do…..we give it to them. This is usenet folks. We don’t have to respond > to anybody! So what if they say something bad about you. If we all try to > let it go, I’m sure that anyone who is an irritant now will either become a > functioning member of this group or if that is not their intention, they > will go find others to give them attention.
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Annie and all, Can’t you see that it’s just like fish rising to the bait? Spiggy or JBH or CW or whoever posts something outrageous expecting a response, so what do we do…..we give it to them. This is usenet folks. We don’t have to respond to anybody! So what if they say something bad about you. If we all try to let it go, I’m sure that anyone who is an irritant now will either become a functioning member of this group or if that is not their intention, they will go find others to give them attention. I certainly don’t know any of these new people, but I think there may be some people in need among them. Even the most irritating may be in pain and unable to express him/herself in the ways we have learned over the years. And heck, this is MY group. I’m not about to move out because some dipstick is flamming me. I don’t need any of you standing up for me here either. If you do, they will get the attention they crave. Silence speaks louder than flames. What do you do if your three year old is misbehaving? If you beat the child, he/she will grow up into a monster. If you ignore the inappropriate behavior and kindly stress what is correct, change can occur. Not that it will with people whose sole purpose is to stir up trouble. We might actually rehabilitate a number who have really come here for help but got caught in something beyond their control. And for the others who are not so well intentioned ? We can ignore these ill-mannered people all the same. Sue
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Shauna, i wasn’t named either as a regular or a old timer, but i was the first to recognize the pain and despair in the post of someone who usually has us laughing out loud LOL, Don’t be so silly. When someone is saddened and writes something like that don’t expect a comprehensive list of who’s who. We need good posters now, not the morons who are getting attention and we need solidarity, not critcism. Jump in here and help us. If you are excluded, it will only be you who excludes yourself. And those of you who are responding to idiot posts are hurting the ng as well as the idiots. Why not start a new thread? Next time something that is meaningless is posted. Dot
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You just keep stirring the pot, don’t you Spiggy? Just keeping the troops riled up. And I’ll bet you didn’t even notice that you threaded onto CW’s post about me, did you? Just a coincidence, huh? Just one more dig towards me. You just can’t resist, can you? Annie B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Shauna- > Don’t worry. There are some ofus who still love ya. Besides, you never > did look good in leather and chains. =) The "oldies"…(hey, that seems to > have become a colloquialism…wonder if it needs quotes anymore?) will > continue to "support" eachother (read as flamem, harass, insult, etc anyone > who duisagree’s with one of them who is not one of them), and the rest of us > can get back to the subject at hand. Things are getting weorse lately, huh? > Nothing a few coctails on new years eve won’t help, eh? =) > Hope things turn around for you soon and stuff. But just remember…CW > cares (sorry, CW, had to say it.) nah, there are many people here fed up > with the crap that’s been going on (and no, oldies, I’m not referring to > myself, purple, nor shell. I’m referring to antics by SOME of you) and we’d > love to hear from ya and stuff. maybe if we just IGNORE these Oldies, and > put them on killfile, then maybe they’ll just go away, as oldies often do. > osh…it would seem troll and oldies may be interchangable. Hmmmmm. =) > That wqas a joke, people. > hope you feel better soon and stuff. Be safe on new year’s > Spiggy > This NG is not for all people according to Annie B. and asociates!!!!! So > this NG should be under a new name because it can’t support all who need > help. how can yall reach out and kick butt all at the same time??? cwcares
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Shauna- Don’t worry. There are some ofus who still love ya. Besides, you never did look good in leather and chains. =) The "oldies"…(hey, that seems to have become a colloquialism…wonder if it needs quotes anymore?) will continue to "support" eachother (read as flamem, harass, insult, etc anyone who duisagree’s with one of them who is not one of them), and the rest of us can get back to the subject at hand. Things are getting weorse lately, huh? Nothing a few coctails on new years eve won’t help, eh? =) Hope things turn around for you soon and stuff. But just remember…CW cares (sorry, CW, had to say it.) nah, there are many people here fed up with the crap that’s been going on (and no, oldies, I’m not referring to myself, purple, nor shell. I’m referring to antics by SOME of you) and we’d love to hear from ya and stuff. maybe if we just IGNORE these Oldies, and put them on killfile, then maybe they’ll just go away, as oldies often do. osh…it would seem troll and oldies may be interchangable. Hmmmmm. =) That wqas a joke, people. hope you feel better soon and stuff. Be safe on new year’s Spiggy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This NG is not for all people according to Annie B. and asociates!!!!! > So this NG should be under a new name because it can’t support all > who need help. how can yall reach out and kick butt all at the same time??? > cwcares > I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays > and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must > assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too > must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest > by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me > with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me > understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram > discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the > meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M > costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate > anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass > but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on > others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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Please, PLEASE, provide the name(s) and occassion(s) of the people telling you to get the hell out of the group. I don’t see ANYONE telling anyone they aren’t welcome. I want to see where all these accusations/beliefs are coming from. – Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->This NG is not for all people according to Annie B. and asociates!!!!! >So this NG should be under a new name because it can’t support all >who need help. how can yall reach out and kick butt all at the same time??? >cwcares > I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays > and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must > assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too > must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest > by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me > with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me > understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram > discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the > meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M > costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate > anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass > but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on > others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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Please, PLEASE, provide the name(s) and occassion(s) of the people telling you to get the hell out of the group. I don’t see ANYONE telling anyone they aren’t welcome. I want to see where all these accusations/beliefs are coming from. – Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays >and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must >assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too >must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest >by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me >with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me >understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram >discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the >meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M >costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate >anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass >but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on >others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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Shauna, You are a valued member in this newsgroup. If your name was not listed in one of the lists you refer to, I am sure it was not intentional. I’ve been here for several months, rarely miss a day of posting and my name gets left off plenty. But I don’t take it personally; just figure that in the big scheme of things, it’s not that big of a deal. The painskeeters only consisted of about three people when it was conceived and the rest of us have invited ourselves in. Just like when one starts this group. Just because we don’t send out gold-engraved emails to people asking them to join doesn’t mean they aren’t welcome. The Weinermobile was the same way – just a silly thing we talked about to relieve stress. This group will get back to business – don’t give up on us yet. I got a real kick out of some of the things you said – you’ve got a great sense of humor! 
Your Friend, Shell
t>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays >and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must >assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too >must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest >by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me >with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me >understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram >discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the >meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M >costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate >anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass >but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on >others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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Shauna and others, The things I have pick-up and learned from this NG are too valuable to stop posting and reading. You can always filter out those whom you wish not to converse with. I resently had a thread I started turn into a flame fest and was somewhat put off by it. This is a support NG to share ideas, experiences and opinions. We need to be grateful to all that listen and share no matter if we dissagree with their comments. All that enter this NG thirsting for help know the frailty of our mental and physical beings and should act as such. I know that I teater on the edge of desire for life on a daily basis. At the end of the day, I want to know that I have won the dark battle that day and if I can help someone else win their like battle, I will do so. There are many people reading these words that we never hear from. I now read and re-read my posts so as to asure myself that I did not post something that might keep their voices quiet. Kurt
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I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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This NG is not for all people according to Annie B. and asociates!!!!! So this NG should be under a new name because it can’t support all who need help. how can yall reach out and kick butt all at the same time??? cwcares – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve not been at my computer for a while do to the holidays > and Physical Therapy making things worse for me. I must > assume by what I’ve read in all of these messages that I too > must be unwelcome here as I was not named as a welcome guest > by the owners of this group. Thanks to all who helped me > with my EMG and epidural questions, it really helped me > understand what was going on. Early on, the Ultram > discussion was useful to me as well as that is one of the > meds I have. So sorry I couldn’t fit in to those S&M > costumes, the weiner mobile, the flamers, or humiliate > anyone by complaining to an ISP. Sure I can be a smart ass > but I’ve never been much of one to purposely inflict pain on > others, there are limits. Sorry I didn’t measure up. Shauna
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CW, Get over it. If anybody bothers to read your old posts, they will all realize why you were reported to your ISP for inappropriate postings. You followed none of the rules, and you tried to shove Christianity down everyone’s throats. Everyone on this forum is not a Christian; and even if they were, I don’t think they would want to hear your religious babbling in every post. There is probably a newsgroup devoted especially to religion. I don’t really know. Perhaps you could find one. You think I got you in trouble for no reason whatsoever. *I* did not get you in trouble. You made your own trouble, and now you’re having to live with the consequences. You’re like the child who throws rocks at another child and gets spanked or grounded by his parents because the victim told on him, and then gets mad with the victim for getting *him* in trouble. Who was the original trouble-maker in that scenario? I’m tired of hearing that I got you thrown off your ISP. You were responsible for that with your very own actions. As I said before, several of us reported you, and you know who they are. You’re worse than a woman scorned. BTW when did you ever reach out to anyone with love and support? Not until after your ISP warned you, I believe. Just saying "cw cares" doesn’t mean anything when your actions speak differently. Annie B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This NG is not for all people according to Annie B. and asociates!!!!! So > this NG should be under a new name because it can’t support all who need > help. how can yall reach out and kick butt all at the same time??? cwcares
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