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>>Can you specify the crime GB has been found guilty of? > Drunk driving, Kennebunkport, 1976.

What has this got to do with anything he has done as President?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>"Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern > directly >>>to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs. >>maybe he can share a good laugh with bill clinton-the criminal that > preceeded him. >Can you specify the crime GB has been found guilty of? > The hell with GB, we KNOW he’s been found guilty of crimes in the past.  Can > you specifiy for me the crime BC has been found guilty of?  (Remember, > getting a hummer in the oval isn’t a crime, and neither is lying about it)

I don’t think "drunk driving" has anything to do with being "the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs"

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> Should AA have fired the AA employees so TWA employees could keep their > jobs? Should they treat 20 year TWA veterans as they would treat 20 year > AA veterans? > Where is the logic in that? If it wasn’t for AA, the TWA people would > have lost their jobs long ago.

in july aa fired every last t.w.a. flight attendant. they got rid of them while hiring and training replacements. the f/a’s union then signed off on a deal relinguishing any rights to severance pay the former t.w. f/a’a had coming to them. apr 2001 was only 2 years ago. so no we wouldn’t have lost our jobs "long ago". several otherairlines were looking to buy us as well. but compton declared bankruptsy (prematurely we might add) and sold out to american. he walked away with a nice chunk of change. we walked away with little to literally nothing.

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> > on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced > co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines. > Why, so the current AA staff will lose their jobs too? > miguel

no. they can transfer. but they have there seniority. t.w. people only get 25% seniority in most stations. so my june ‘95 translates to only late ‘99 early 2001 senority. not enough to hold any other stations. when reno air was bought out there former employees were given there full senority. no dice for t.w.a..

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"Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly > to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs.

maybe he can share a good laugh with bill clinton-the criminal that preceeded him.

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>>OK, but how many of these were normal attrition versus layoffs?  And how do >the headcount reductions (as a percentage) compare between AA and TW?  I >don’t know the answers, but need to get some insight behind the raw figures >you quote. > we’ll have 800 (former)t.w.a. as of 1 nov. do the math. that’s 95% of > our guys > that have been shit canned.

What do you think would have happened if AA didn’t give them jobs in the first place. There is a good chance they would have been unemployed sooner.  Should AA keep former TWA employees at the expense of AA employees with more AA tenure?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced >>co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines. >Why, so the current AA staff will lose their jobs too? >miguel > no. they can transfer. but they have there seniority. t.w. people only > get 25% seniority in most stations. so my june ‘95 translates to only > late ‘99 early 2001 senority. not enough to hold any other stations. > when reno air was bought out there former employees were given there > full senority. no dice for t.w.a..

TW was not acquired like QQ. Apples and Oranges

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> "Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly >to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs. > maybe he can share a good laugh with bill clinton-the criminal that preceeded him.

Can you specify the crime GB has been found guilty of?

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> Can you specify the crime GB has been found guilty of?

Drunk driving, Kennebunkport, 1976. miguel — See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>OK, but how many of these were normal attrition versus layoffs?  And how do >>the headcount reductions (as a percentage) compare between AA and TW?  I >>don’t know the answers, but need to get some insight behind the raw figures >>you quote. > we’ll have 800 (former)t.w.a. as of 1 nov. do the math. that’s 95% of > our guys > that have been shit canned. > What do you think would have happened if AA didn’t give them jobs in the > first place. There is a good chance they would have been unemployed > sooner.  Should AA keep former TWA employees at the expense of AA > employees with more AA tenure?

Actually, AA is trying to reverse seniority from hire date, to job class date.  People will 20 years seniority who may have changed jobs in the airline 2 years ago will now only have 2 years seniority instead of 20. These are very dangerous times for airline employees, especially if you work for one of the big carriers.

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> "Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly >>to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs. > maybe he can share a good laugh with bill clinton-the criminal that preceeded him. > Can you specify the crime GB has been found guilty of?

The hell with GB, we KNOW he’s been found guilty of crimes in the past.  Can you specifiy for me the crime BC has been found guilty of?  (Remember, getting a hummer in the oval isn’t a crime, and neither is lying about it)

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> [snip] >Compare the above attrition figures to those at WN, Jet >Blue, and other non-union airlines. > [snip] >    Common misconception.  WN isn’t "nonunion".  Quite the opposite. > They have a very strong union.  They also have a very good relationship > with their unions.  This good relationship has allowed them > to negotiate very favorable work rules which allow employees to > do a variety of different job descriptions on temporary "fill in" > basis.

The "good relationship" is based on financial reasons.. If WN fails, the union loses jobs

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> Oh horseshit, Carty wanted the gates and routes, not the employees or the > airline, it was just dead weight he HAD to take until he could sell it off > or lay it off, piece by piece, which began almost immediately.

As you posted.. AA dumped a lot of gates and routes… So, do you think they planned this?? What would Carty do with the additional gates and routes if he had no employees to staff them with??  Do you think the goal was not to have more gates, routes, AND the employees to go with them?

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> OK, but how many of these were normal attrition versus layoffs?  And how do > the headcount reductions (as a percentage) compare between AA and TW?  I > don’t know the answers, but need to get some insight behind the raw figures > you quote.

we’ll have 800 (former)t.w.a. as of 1 nov. do the math. that’s 95% of our guys that have been shit canned. > Also, April 2001 preceeded September 11, 2001.  A number of employees at TW, > AA, and many other carriers lost jobs that seemed secure pre-9/11. > the > unions have stood by and allowed this to happen. in one instance the > transport workers union actually started to sue to remove all former > t.w.a. employees seniority. > So why bocott AA?  Sounds like the union is to blame.  Sorry, I fogot that > unions are the only protection standing between helpless employees and their > ruthless employers.  Compare the above attrition figures to those at WN, Jet > Blue, and other non-union airlines.

boycott aa because they’ve screwed us. if they feel the pinch the union membership and the union will too. > on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced > co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines. > Well, in the real world, there is a definite tradeoff between pay and job > security.  A lucky few find both.  Sounds like the AA/TW employees went for > the money and that turned out to be a bad bet.

went for nothing. we were never given any choice in the matter. the i.a.m. signed off on it and handed us over to the t.w.u. without the most basic assurances. of course the t.w.u. just picked up the ball and ran with it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ken Ishiguro

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> So what?  Automation does that in practically every industry.

So your thought is that we continue to ignore job protection and continue to automate?  Who is going to ultimately be left to buy the products and services? > Nonsense.  The money was put up so that there would BE an airline > industry,

wrong again asshole.  You better go back and check again.  The BIGGEST argument put up in congress FOR the bailout, was for the jobs it was going to save.  The fact that the transportation industry is important to the economy didn’t even come in second, if it were so important, they government would have stepped in a long time ago to put a stop the the destruction of the transportation industry that is on going from the inside. > More nonsense.  CO and NW both posted a recent profit and Jet Blue > just pulled out of Atlanta where it couldn’t compete with DL.  And > there are many more complaints about the amount of time it takes to > check in than there are about the TSA.  And if no one can afford to > travel anymore, why are travel levels increasing so much?  What > nonsense.

Thank you for showing your ass.  A lot of the carriers in the big ten showed a bit of profit in Q3, or, in the alternative, a drastic reduction in the losses they were facing before.  It means nothing, they will all show a loss again in Q4, they admit it themselves as they are going into their travel slump season. >I feel for those 20,000 TWA employees who lost their jobs, you have Donald >J. Carty to thank for that, the crooked bastard used you all as pawns in his >bankruptcy gobble-up of TWA. > Why don’t you thank Icahn who was the one who bankrupted TWA?

Icahn bankrupted TWA because AA made the bail out deal PRIOR to the BK filing.  Remember?  AA already had DIP financing in place.  It was all a tidy set up.  Icahn walked away sitting pretty and AA got their hands on TWA routes and gates, and THAT was what that was all about.  Now, effective 11/1 AA is abandoning 90% of TWA’s gates and routes out of their former hub in St. Louis, tossing hundreds more employess out on the streets, and moving the aircraft to other cities. > It wasn’t Carty who thought (mistakely) that he was just getting a good > deal.

Oh horseshit, Carty wanted the gates and routes, not the employees or the airline, it was just dead weight he HAD to take until he could sell it off or lay it off, piece by piece, which began almost immediately. > just where is your evidence that Carty is a crook?

He resigned in disgrace.  He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he lied to the entire labor force at AA and then attempted to worm his way out of it. > Add that to the fact that business travelers >were tired of subsidizing those cheap seats in the back by paying 800% – >900% more for a seat on the same plane.  Big business finally told the >airlines to fuck off, pulled their business, reverted to internet >conferencing and other methods and the airlines’ balance sheets started to >turn as red as the lands under the christian crusades! > That must be why CO is getting a 50% premium for its BusinessFirst > class–at least to Asia.  And having it close to full most days.  Must > be it doesn’t work.

Full most days means they fill 18 seats on a single flight.  That ain’t much, especially when the majority of them are filled by FF upgrades, not full fare cash tickets. >Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly >to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs. > Yeah, he was the one who appropriated the funds, not Congress.

Nah, he was just the one that lied to congress to get the funding, same way he did with Afghanistan and Iraq, but lets not get republican here, Bush is depressing enough. You think travel is on the upswing.  The reason planes are full is because the carriers PARKED a lot of their aircraft in the desert.  Planes are full because most carriers are operation on 20% to 30% less equipment than they had pre 9/11.  And 9/11 had NOTHING to do with the downswing in airline travel.  AA, for instance, was doing piss poor buisness for at least a year to 18 months prior to that, their own annuals and numbers show it.  9/11 just brought a quicker financial exposure to the airlines, but it certainly didn’t cause it. You’re an ass, who was wrong in every statement you made here. Thank you for playing.

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> TWA employees weren’t singled out, AA people were getting laid off too, even > though the taxpayers ponied up 15 billion dollars to save their jobs, the > airline executives pocketed the bail out money and fired over 100,000 people > anyway, and the government did nothing about it.

  I would like to see more critical reporting regarding how federal dollars were spent by the airlines.  And by critical reports I don’t mean a 60 Minutes segment or the nonsence spewed daily by CBS, NPR, and PBS.  The original regs were pretty specific regarding how the bail-out funds were to be used.  It would be interesting to see if such was the case. > Airline travel is slowly becoming a thing of the past.  Everyone needs to > get used to it.  Now that the feds are going to start fingerprinting every > non-citizen who enters the United States, travel and tourism via air > transport are in dire jeopardy.

  I say it’s about time for non-citizens entering our borders to be identified before they leave the terminal.  It should be obvious that the past open-door policy was misused to the advantage of those who believe that the killing of unarmed citizens of our country is the fast track way to reach Allah’s golden cloud. > Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly > to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs.

 Of course.  Blame W for everything.  I disagreed with his tax cuts, although current data suggests that such is serving as a major factor in turning around the economy.   I also thought it was laughable that the political left treated such as ‘us’ against ‘the rich’.  Time for those pundits to get off their class warfare fixation and find something more substatial by which to complain.    If the Dems can actually find a political moderate, and I haven’t seen one in the current crop of candidates, the ‘04 election will be all but handed to them.  The major media is on track to pump the Democratic candidate while simultaneously blaming W for any and all preceived unfavorable conditions. Assuming the candidate of the left is smart enough to keep his/her mouth closed and just sit back and ride the wave.

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> As of 11/01, the heads of AA veterans will start to roll too.  It was just a > matter of time.  AA is now targeting it’s Agent group, ticket counter > agents, gate agents, etc., the people who actually check you in and get you > on the plane, they are starting to replace them with those machines you see > all over the airports.

Check-in is faster and cheaper with the machines.. Now, if we could just get them to handle flight cancellations and rebook us. They would also need to be able to issue the appropriate meal, hotel, and transfer vouchers. > Airline travel is slowly becoming a thing of the past.  Everyone needs to > get used to it.  

Airline travel in the US is up over the past year…

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[snip] > Compare the above attrition figures to those at WN, Jet > Blue, and other non-union airlines.

[snip]    Common misconception.  WN isn’t "nonunion".  Quite the opposite. They have a very strong union.  They also have a very good relationship with their unions.  This good relationship has allowed them to negotiate very favorable work rules which allow employees to do a variety of different job descriptions on temporary "fill in" basis.

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> As of 11/01, the heads of AA veterans will start to roll too.  It was just a > matter of time.  AA is now targeting it’s Agent group, ticket counter > agents, gate agents, etc., the people who actually check you in and get you > on the plane, they are starting to replace them with those machines you see > all over the airports.  This is no secret, it’s been all over the news.  TWA > employees fell first.  Last on, first off, that’s the way it works.  Now the > seniority rules are about to be removed so they can go after the long time > higher paid seniority employees regardless.

   Technically, it’s referred to as "higher productivity".  Alot of us have been through it.  Fewer people doing more work.  "Out sourcing" is another method.  Computers can help some folks serve more people. It’s the way things go. > TWA employees weren’t singled out, AA people were getting laid off too, even > though the taxpayers ponied up 15 billion dollars to save their jobs, the > airline executives pocketed the bail out money and fired over 100,000 people > anyway, and the government did nothing about it.

   Technically, the bailout was to "save" the airlines themselves.  Virtually every airline was in danger of fiscal collapse.  A collapse of that size would have been an economic disaster.  "Saving" jobs was only a side consideration/benefit. > The idea here is that AA, and the rest of the big carriers, can no longer > afford to be a real airline, they are cheapening everything and becoming a > low fare discount carrier, like Jet Blue and Air Tran.  The people who read > these message boards don’t give a shit about the plight of employees, they > want cheap tickets and maximum perks and they don’t care if the airlines > have to fire ALL of you to get it.

   They are all in businesses which treat them exactly the same way.   Do you check out who made the TV you bought?  The clothes?  Your car?  Or do you go negotiate on price? > Besides, with the TSA harassing every > passenger at the airports, and the government slapping so much tax on the > price of a ticket it’s unbearable, many people who used to travel can no > longer afford the price no matter how cheap, and many would rather walk than > give up their civil rights every time they walk into an airport.

    The demographis are, and have been, changing for a long time.  Total travel is way down.  The reasons vary widely. > I feel for those 20,000 TWA employees who lost their jobs, you have Donald > J. Carty to thank for that, the crooked bastard used you all as pawns in his > bankruptcy gobble-up of TWA.  Remember, by promising to keep your jobs > secure, the bankruptcy judge approved AA’s bid over all others, two of which > were better price wise than what AA offered.  

  You imply however that this would have somehow benefitted the former employees better and it isn’t clear that is true.  Many of the same folks would have had to still be laid off.  TWA was in trouble, that’s why they were in bankruptcy.  New business wasn’t going to magically appear just because someone else bought them. > The catch was, Carty didn’t > say how long the jobs would be secure, so the BK judge was powerless when > heads started to roll.  And then of course, no one could have predicted what > 9/11 would do to the airlines.  Add that to the fact that business travelers > were tired of subsidizing those cheap seats in the back by paying 800% – > 900% more for a seat on the same plane.  Big business finally told the > airlines to fuck off, pulled their business, reverted to internet > conferencing and other methods and the airlines’ balance sheets started to > turn as red as the lands under the christian crusades!

    You’re wandering all over here.  You’ve just described a market in which the business model of TWA and AA can’t survive yet you somehow blame the airlines for creating the market conditions.  They are basically just responding to them.  Yeah, there is some funny money activity at the top, but the basic problem is still there. > Airline travel is slowly becoming a thing of the past.

   As it use to be, yes, but that’s been happening for a long time now.  I call it the "Southwest Effect". >Everyone needs to > get used to it.  Now that the feds are going to start fingerprinting every > non-citizen who enters the United States, travel and tourism via air > transport are in dire jeopardy.

   A bit over the top.  It’s in for a long haul, but the numbers are actually up slightly over last year. > Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly > to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs.

    I’m no Bush fan, but I’m dubious just how different it would be under a different president.  The airline industry was in trouble pre-9/11 and the troubles were many and of a wide variety of causes.

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>As of 11/01, the heads of AA veterans will start to roll too.  It was just a >matter of time.  AA is now targeting it’s Agent group, ticket counter >agents, gate agents, etc., the people who actually check you in and get you >on the plane, they are starting to replace them with those machines you see >all over the airports.  This is no secret, it’s been all over the news.  TWA >employees fell first.  Last on, first off, that’s the way it works.  Now the >seniority rules are about to be removed so they can go after the long time >higher paid seniority employees regardless.

So what?  Automation does that in practically every industry.   >TWA employees weren’t singled out, AA people were getting laid off too, even >though the taxpayers ponied up 15 billion dollars to save their jobs, the >airline executives pocketed the bail out money and fired over 100,000 people >anyway, and the government did nothing about it.

Nonsense.  The money was put up so that there would BE an airline industry, which  itself was a victim of 9/11.  It is critical to the economy.  We taxpayers have no responsibility to save your job. >The idea here is that AA, and the rest of the big carriers, can no longer >afford to be a real airline, they are cheapening everything and becoming a >low fare discount carrier, like Jet Blue and Air Tran.  The people who read >these message boards don’t give a shit about the plight of employees, they >want cheap tickets and maximum perks and they don’t care if the airlines >have to fire ALL of you to get it.  Besides, with the TSA harassing every >passenger at the airports, and the government slapping so much tax on the >price of a ticket it’s unbearable, many people who used to travel can no >longer afford the price no matter how cheap, and many would rather walk than >give up their civil rights every time they walk into an airport.

More nonsense.  CO and NW both posted a recent profit and Jet Blue just pulled out of Atlanta where it couldn’t compete with DL.  And there are many more complaints about the amount of time it takes to check in than there are about the TSA.  And if no one can afford to travel anymore, why are travel levels increasing so much?  What nonsense. >I feel for those 20,000 TWA employees who lost their jobs, you have Donald >J. Carty to thank for that, the crooked bastard used you all as pawns in his >bankruptcy gobble-up of TWA.  

Why don’t you thank Icahn who was the one who bankrupted TWA?  It wasn’t Carty who thought (mistakely) that he was just getting a good deal.  And since, babbling fool that you are, you go around libelling people, just where is your evidence that Carty is a crook?  Stupid maybe, but I have seen no evidence of his being a crook. Remember, by promising to keep your jobs >secure, the bankruptcy judge approved AA’s bid over all others, two of which >were better price wise than what AA offered.  The catch was, Carty didn’t >say how long the jobs would be secure, so the BK judge was powerless when >heads started to roll.  And then of course, no one could have predicted what >9/11 would do to the airlines.  

Which is the real problem and refutes your other nonsense. Add that to the fact that business travelers >were tired of subsidizing those cheap seats in the back by paying 800% – >900% more for a seat on the same plane.  Big business finally told the >airlines to fuck off, pulled their business, reverted to internet >conferencing and other methods and the airlines’ balance sheets started to >turn as red as the lands under the christian crusades!

That must be why CO is getting a 50% premium for its BusinessFirst class–at least to Asia.  And having it close to full most days.  Must be it doesn’t work. >Airline travel is slowly becoming a thing of the past.  Everyone needs to >get used to it.  Now that the feds are going to start fingerprinting every >non-citizen who enters the United States, travel and tourism via air >transport are in dire jeopardy.

Yeah, go ahead and walk from NY to SFO. >Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly >to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs.

Yeah, he was the one who appropriated the funds, not Congress.  You know as much about the constitutional system in the US as you do about airlines; e.g. nothing.

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in april 2001 american airlines told the 20,000 former t.w.a. employees that they would have jobs with american. as of nov.1, 2003 only 800 t.w.a. employees will still be working for american. the unions have stood by and allowed this to happen. in one instance the transport workers union actually started to sue to remove all former t.w.a. employees seniority. on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines.

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> in april 2001 american airlines told the 20,000 former t.w.a. > employees that they would have jobs with american. as of nov.1, 2003 > only 800 t.w.a. employees will still be working for american. the > unions have stood by and allowed this to happen. in one instance the > transport workers union actually started to sue to remove all former > t.w.a. employees seniority. > on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced > co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines.

Should AA have fired the AA employees so TWA employees could keep their jobs? Should they treat 20 year TWA veterans as they would treat 20 year AA veterans? Where is the logic in that? If it wasn’t for AA, the TWA people would have lost their jobs long ago.

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> in april 2001 american airlines told the 20,000 former t.w.a. > employees that they would have jobs with american. as of nov.1, 2003 > only 800 t.w.a. employees will still be working for american.

OK, but how many of these were normal attrition versus layoffs?  And how do the headcount reductions (as a percentage) compare between AA and TW?  I don’t know the answers, but need to get some insight behind the raw figures you quote. Also, April 2001 preceeded September 11, 2001.  A number of employees at TW, AA, and many other carriers lost jobs that seemed secure pre-9/11. > the > unions have stood by and allowed this to happen. in one instance the > transport workers union actually started to sue to remove all former > t.w.a. employees seniority.

So why bocott AA?  Sounds like the union is to blame.  Sorry, I fogot that unions are the only protection standing between helpless employees and their ruthless employers.  Compare the above attrition figures to those at WN, Jet Blue, and other non-union airlines. > on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced > co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines.

Well, in the real world, there is a definite tradeoff between pay and job security.  A lucky few find both.  Sounds like the AA/TW employees went for the money and that turned out to be a bad bet. Ken Ishiguro

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> on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced > co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines.

Why, so the current AA staff will lose their jobs too? miguel — See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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As of 11/01, the heads of AA veterans will start to roll too.  It was just a matter of time.  AA is now targeting it’s Agent group, ticket counter agents, gate agents, etc., the people who actually check you in and get you on the plane, they are starting to replace them with those machines you see all over the airports.  This is no secret, it’s been all over the news.  TWA employees fell first.  Last on, first off, that’s the way it works.  Now the seniority rules are about to be removed so they can go after the long time higher paid seniority employees regardless. TWA employees weren’t singled out, AA people were getting laid off too, even though the taxpayers ponied up 15 billion dollars to save their jobs, the airline executives pocketed the bail out money and fired over 100,000 people anyway, and the government did nothing about it. The idea here is that AA, and the rest of the big carriers, can no longer afford to be a real airline, they are cheapening everything and becoming a low fare discount carrier, like Jet Blue and Air Tran.  The people who read these message boards don’t give a shit about the plight of employees, they want cheap tickets and maximum perks and they don’t care if the airlines have to fire ALL of you to get it.  Besides, with the TSA harassing every passenger at the airports, and the government slapping so much tax on the price of a ticket it’s unbearable, many people who used to travel can no longer afford the price no matter how cheap, and many would rather walk than give up their civil rights every time they walk into an airport. I feel for those 20,000 TWA employees who lost their jobs, you have Donald J. Carty to thank for that, the crooked bastard used you all as pawns in his bankruptcy gobble-up of TWA.  Remember, by promising to keep your jobs secure, the bankruptcy judge approved AA’s bid over all others, two of which were better price wise than what AA offered.  The catch was, Carty didn’t say how long the jobs would be secure, so the BK judge was powerless when heads started to roll.  And then of course, no one could have predicted what 9/11 would do to the airlines.  Add that to the fact that business travelers were tired of subsidizing those cheap seats in the back by paying 800% – 900% more for a seat on the same plane.  Big business finally told the airlines to fuck off, pulled their business, reverted to internet conferencing and other methods and the airlines’ balance sheets started to turn as red as the lands under the christian crusades! Airline travel is slowly becoming a thing of the past.  Everyone needs to get used to it.  Now that the feds are going to start fingerprinting every non-citizen who enters the United States, travel and tourism via air transport are in dire jeopardy. Rather than this newsgroup, you should send your letters of concern directly to George W. Bush – the REAL criminal in the loss of your jobs.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> on behalf of my family and the families of my 19,000 displaced > co-workers i’m asking you to please boycott american airlines. > Why, so the current AA staff will lose their jobs too? > miguel > — > See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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