Back Row Of The 'Beis

In my neighborhood the women just stayed home from shul.

. . . they'd have woken up for shul otherwise?

i still don't get why it's so amazing that frum Jewish womenliving in Yerushalayim of all places wore tichuls. a vast number of them do every week, anyhow. do they get extra points?

wow, what a kick, you can convince a gadol to say anything and let's see how fast people jump! Wouldn't it be interesting if the Israeli rabbis were wrong? I'm wondering how many of them have actually studied Hinduism in a kavanadik fashion?

"I'm wondering how many of them have actually studied Hinduism in a kavanadik fashion?"

None, you idiot. They rely on the testimony of others, as they openly admit.

"wow, what a kick, you can convince a gadol to say anything and let's see how fast people jump!"

Who convinced which gadol to say that wigs are forbidden?

I am speechless. I have no idea how to truly respond to this. Since when is tichel and no sheitel considered a humra?

There is halachic controversy as to whether sheitels are permitted. There is none regarding tichels. Ergo, wearing a tichel is a chumra.

Yes, most of my observant Jerusalem married women friends wear tichels or hats or snoods all the time. I don't understand why women would not go to shul (if they were planning to anyway) because they couldn't wear a sheitel. Could someone explain?

Women who wear wigs when going out generally wear snoods only at home. They are embarassed to appear in public in snoods.

The truth is that the Lubavitcher Rebbe said it is far better to wear a sheitel than a tichel. That community is having a harder time with this

No one but Lubavitchers give a hoot about what their dead messiah said.

People dress up to go to shul. In many communities, wearing a snood is not considered to be dressing up. Self-conscious women might feel uncomfortable going to shul in their weekday clothes, kind of like going to shul in their house robes. (Yes, fashion is different in different communities. Go figure?)

Meredith, when you have little kids you are up early. Even on Shabbos. That's life.

wearing a tichel is a chumra how exactly? how do you all think Jewish covered their heads before someone pulled hair out of a horse's ass and plopped it on her head?

wearing a tichel (or hat or snood) is covering your hair. you can dress it up or dress it down, but it's not a chumra.

@Dani:
As I stated above, some hold that sheitels are forbidden. Therefore, wearing a non-sheitel covering is a chumra, because it takes into account those shitos who hold that sheitels are forbidden. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

The root of this entire issue is why we cover our hair. Since many people erroneously view it as a matter of tzniut, wearing hair is more attractive than cloth and therefore less modest.

The view of the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZTz"L was that women who cover their hair with a wig are far less likely to remove it, the way women wearing scarves may, and they will also be careful to have it cover all their hair. For these reasons he promoted the wearing of sheitels.

Both arguments seem pretty strong to me, when you consider that he was trying to promote tznius among our parent's generation. The fact that so many women nowadays cover their hair is due at least in part to the example that his followers set. Back then it was something that only the super-frum did; nowadays there are far more communities where it would be unheard of for women not to cover their hair. None the less, his arguments still hold true.

jds

Zev -- If you hold that sheitelach are assur, then a tichel, snood or hat isn't a chumra. It's your only option available.

Joe -- My theory is that he *really* pasqened that way to encourage woman who weren't covering their hair to take up the mitzvah. When you grow up in a society where people don't cover their hair it is much easier to consider doing so when given the option of something that looks exactly like what you're used too.

Meredith: But someone who holds sheitlach are mutar can be machmir like those who prohibit by wearing a tichel etc.

the point is, if sheitels are assur, then it's not a chumra to wear a tichul

to these women, sheitels are now assur. so if they're following halacha by covering their hair with something else, there's no way you can call it a chumra.

and it's not a chumra to wear a tichel, anyhow. *scowl* i don't do chumras.

I'll try again. If a woman who holds that sheitels are mutar, I repeat mutar, wears a tichel because she wants to act stringently by being chosheish for the machmirim, she is doing a chumra. Got it?

zev -
it's impossible to lable a tichel a chumra when to some the sheitel is a chumra.

just accept that different people, based on their understanding of halakha, have different understandings of chumra in this situation.

i get your point, i got it from the first. do you get mine?

Quote from Yated: "What a privilege to be part of a nation that listens to Hashem's rulings as declared by its spiritual leaders!"

Yay! Look how wonderful and holy we are! Aren't we so wonderful? Isn't being chareidi the best thing life could ever offer? I'm so glad we have such wise and holy leaders that tell us exactly what God wants us to do. Truly a privilege.

Dani:

No.